Eddie Howe

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, Groundhog63 said:

You don't go anymore. What do you know 😉

 

That's why I'm asking 

[r0cafella]

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, Holmesy said:

No, because it's horseshit

 

Thought it might be but I just wanted to check as I wasn't there to witness for myself.

[Robster]

4 hours ago, r0cafella said:

All due respect to the believers, we lost as many games as the relegated teams last season despite the massive expenditure.

 

Some people didn't want him granted, but we can't just look past last season and claim people shouldn't have doubts. 

 

 

 

This is only from memory so I apologise if wrong but seem to recall hearing that we also won as many as the team in sixth (something like that).
It therefore comes down to how you view the stats.

[Andy]

1 minute ago, Robster said:

This is only from memory so I apologise if wrong but seem to recall hearing that we also won as many as the team in sixth (something like that).
It therefore comes down to how you view the stats.

 

We won more games than Bournemouth and the same amount as most of the teams 7th downwards. 

 

The biggest issue last season (aside from general performances) was undoubtedly our ability to turn draws into defeats late in games. Fine margins, but a consistent problem. 

[r0cafella]

6 minutes ago, Robster said:

This is only from memory so I apologise if wrong but seem to recall hearing that we also won as many as the team in sixth (something like that).
It therefore comes down to how you view the stats.

We may have but we finished 12th? with a significant regression. 

 

Again, not trying to goad anyone or start a fight but I think Eddie being under pressure is reasonable. 

[Abacus]

I'm not much sure there's a lot new to talk about here. Except I will say that there was a vaguely floated idea that Howe himself might not be able to attract the best players, which seems a stretch to me.

 

I guess some players might think this way, but there are very few managers I can think of who could attract a player by name alone. Pep maybe, Mourinho arguably. I'm probably missing some, maybe Ancelotti?

 

And I suppose Trippier basically signed for Howe, but that's after having worked for him and knowing how he goes about things.

[Robster]

8 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

We may have but we finished 12th? with a significant regression. 

 

Again, not trying to goad anyone or start a fight but I think Eddie being under pressure is reasonable. 

Oh no worries. I'm not trying to either.  

My viewpoint is that I have confidence that we/Eddie can fix the problems of us turning draws into defeats and will result in a better season. I put a huge amount of that into lack of confidence and a fear factor that grew as the season progressed once the clock hit 80 minutes.

I won't argue that he's under pressure either but I have faith that he'll find the answers.

[Mills and Boon]

47 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Can anyone come up with any evidence to back this lad and his "toxic atmosphere" claims up please as I haven't got a clue what he's going on about. 

 

Last time I remember a "toxic" atmosphere at SJP was v Cardiff when Pardew was manager. Admittedly I only went to 1 game post Xmas last season so maybe it turned nasty which I didn't witness. If it did this is genuinely the first I've heard of it though.

 

 

I was talking about the start of next season not last season. Even then there were twitter numpties trying to get songs going last season about Howe.

[Mills and Boon]

45 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

And is that how you felt when Carver, Bruce and Kinnear were in charge? 

 

 

I wouldn't put those three in the same conversation as Howe, that just shows the disrespect being put on his name.

 

And no, I didn't get on their backs at the match despite wanting shot of them. It's possible to want a change in the dugout without letting it affect your support of the team while they're playing 

[r0cafella]

23 minutes ago, Robster said:

Oh no worries. I'm not trying to either.  

My viewpoint is that I have confidence that we/Eddie can fix the problems of us turning draws into defeats and will result in a better season. I put a huge amount of that into lack of confidence and a fear factor that grew as the season progressed once the clock hit 80 minutes.

I won't argue that he's under pressure either but I have faith that he'll find the answers.

I sincerely hope he can as well. He's a legend in my eyes and I've got nothing but respect for him but the interests of the club always come first in my mind and I was massively disappointed with what I saw last season. 

[Wallsendmag]

20 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

I was talking about the start of next season not last season. Even then there were twitter numpties trying to get songs going last season about Howe.

 

Did any of them materialise into chants inside the ground?

 

Nobody knows what will happen at the start of next season. That's jjst you speculating. If we have a good Transfer window and start well the feeling will be positive. If we have a bad one and start poorly again it'll be negative. Same as anywhere else really.

 

We desperately need a good start, more than ever before. I'll say that much.

[Holmesy]

57 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

I wouldn't put those three in the same conversation as Howe, that just shows the disrespect being put on his name.

 

And no, I didn't get on their backs at the match despite wanting shot of them. It's possible to want a change in the dugout without letting it affect your support of the team while they're playing 

I honestly don't know why people react like this.
Eddie isn't the Messiah. He's a man and a football manager who is judged on results. Naming him in the same sentence as other men/football managers who have held the same job role isn't disrespectful unless you're saying he's no better than them, which no one in their right mind would do. 

It's this sort of nonsense that people refer to when they talk about blind loyalty. You sound like a member of a cult.
 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:42 by Holmesy

[Wallsendmag]

58 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

 

I wouldn't put those three in the same conversation as Howe, that just shows the disrespect being put on his name.

 

And no, I didn't get on their backs at the match despite wanting shot of them. It's possible to want a change in the dugout without letting it affect your support of the team while they're playing 

 

Ironically I think it's you more than anyone who struggles with this concept.

[ffs]

1 hour ago, Abacus said:

I'm not much sure there's a lot new to talk about here. Except I will say that there was a vaguely floated idea that Howe himself might not be able to attract the best players, which seems a stretch to me.

 

I guess some players might think this way, but there are very few managers I can think of who could attract a player by name alone. Pep maybe, Mourinho arguably. I'm probably missing some, maybe Ancelotti?

 

And I suppose Trippier basically signed for Howe, but that's after having worked for him and knowing how he goes about things.

 

the reason we can't attract the best players is that we aren't allowed to pay them as much as their market rate

[Wallsendmag]

6 minutes ago, ffs said:

 

the reason we can't attract the best players is that we aren't allowed to pay them as much as their market rate

 

Aye it's a double edged sword. We aren't as attractive a proposition as Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea etc so in order to attract players that they may also be in for we'd need to pay a higher salary, but we aren't allowed to to that either.

 

I think that despite last summer our recruitment strategy is still looked on favourably by other clubs so when we go in for a player there's this train of thought that they might be worth taking a punt on by the cartel clubs. Makes things very difficult.

[ffs]

5 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Aye it's a double edged sword. We aren't as attractive a proposition as Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea etc so in order to attract players that they may also be in for we'd need to pay a higher salary, but we aren't allowed to to that either.

 

I think that despite last summer our recruitment strategy is still looked on favourably by other clubs so when we go in for a player there's this train of thought that they might be worth taking a punt on by the cartel clubs. Makes things very difficult.

 

i agree. i also think there is/was real concern at liverpool in particular that we become a genuine contender, and they take great pleasure in disrupting us. obv the rat, ekitike and now munoz - but also unsettling gordon and prob others i'm forgetting. it makes total sense from their perspective but is incredibly shitty behaviour. the other cartel clubs don't seem as focused in their efforts altho they still fuck us up without even trying ... cunha, pedro, guehi, trafford and on and on and on.

 

[Abacus]

5 minutes ago, ffs said:

 

the reason we can't attract the best players is that we aren't allowed to pay them as much as their market rate

Yeah, I do realise that. I just wondered whether any managers now had the sort of star pulling power that the likes of Keegan did for us. Different era, I suppose.

 

I think with Howe, you might be attracted if he has a clear plan to improve you. By some accounts that was something that attracted Woltemade, so I'm hoping he has a good season next year.

[ffs]

2 minutes ago, Abacus said:

Yeah, I do realise that. I just wondered whether any managers now had the sort of star pulling power that the likes of Keegan did for us. Different era, I suppose.

 

I think with Howe, you might be attracted if he has a clear plan to improve you. By some accounts that was something that attracted Woltemade, so I'm hoping he has a good season next year.

 

i think the manager might make a difference if the wages on offer were at least roughly the same as you could get elsewhere. or if you thought the club in question was going to take off like a rocket so your profile would rise + future wages would be way higher (i.e. us when it still looked like "the project" might be allowed to happen)

 

but no manager is good enough to attract a set of top players who could get 50% higher wages elsewhere. it just doesn't happen

 

i feel like until we qualified for the champs' league first time, the cartel didn't pay much attention to our transfers. but after that, we haven't really been allowed to sign a single properly top player. the possible exception is tonali, which seemed a masterstroke until the gambling stuff broke (and i'm not saying that anyone knew about that, but it is the only properly elite transfer we attempted post-CL that the cartel didn't try to push us out of).  some of the players we've signed have turned out really well, eg Lewis Hall - but that was miles from certain at the time

 

it has actually been a masterclass in anticompetitive behaviour. if another club had been bought by saudi and were then just put in a box by the cartel and prohibited from challenging maybe i wouldn't care. but, like, it's fucking *us* and it makes me just so unbelievably annoyed

 

[Dokko]

Worrying how many of our tops players want away. Isak & Gordon gone. Tonali & Tino would happily be playing elsewhere and question marks over Hall as well. Only Bruno who hasn't had murmurs about, but not confident if he knew a solid offer was in he'd stay. Wolt as well. Even Tripps has been trying to get away for 18 months.

 

Something isn't right in the camp. 

[ffs]

2 hours ago, ffs said:

 

i agree. i also think there is/was real concern at liverpool in particular that we become a genuine contender, and they take great pleasure in disrupting us. obv the rat, ekitike and now munoz - but also unsettling gordon and prob others i'm forgetting. it makes total sense from their perspective but is incredibly shitty behaviour. the other cartel clubs don't seem as focused in their efforts altho they still fuck us up without even trying ... cunha, pedro, guehi, trafford and on and on and on.

 

 

oh and also - dan ashcroft. another move that with hindsight reads like another post-CL attempt to mess up our strategy (and which worked)

[RS]

I fully expect our lot to turn on him this season, such is the short term outlook of a large section of our fans. (But what about the half a billion he’s squandered? Etc etc)

After all, it’s not that far back when they took Mike Ashley’s 30 pieces of silver (aka the free half season tickets) when it looked like there was genuine opposition against his ownership. The rats were climbing over themselves to take his bait and save his face by filling the stadium. 
 

14 previous years of decay forgotten by some. If it takes 14 years to get us top 6 I’ll take it in a heartbeat. Hopefully Eddie is involved as long as he wants to be. 

[Andy]

1 minute ago, RS said:

I fully expect our lot to turn on him this season, such is the short term outlook of a large section of our fans. (But what about the half a billion he’s squandered? Etc etc)

 

A lot of fans already have. This place is tame compared to social media and some of the shite I've heard in real life. 

 

I fully understand frustrations and even not being convinced he's the right long term choice, but there are sections of our fans that are more hateful when they speak about him than I ever remember hearing towards the likes of Pardew, McClaren and Bruce. It's bizarre. 

[LFEE]

4 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Aye it's a double edged sword. We aren't as attractive a proposition as Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea etc so in order to attract players that they may also be in for we'd need to pay a higher salary, but we aren't allowed to to that either.

 

I think that despite last summer our recruitment strategy is still looked on favourably by other clubs so when we go in for a player there's this train of thought that they might be worth taking a punt on by the cartel clubs. Makes things very difficult.

Could we not just have less players and pay them more individually?

[gbandit]

33 minutes ago, Andy said:

but there are sections of our fans that are more hateful when they speak about him than I ever remember hearing towards the likes of Pardew, McClaren and Bruce. It's bizarre

Some people like con artists in spite of all available evidence, see the most powerful person in the world as evidence