Eddie Howe

[midds]

Big day for him tomorrow. If the fixture list is going to throw out a stinker of an opening set of fixtures then he's going to be under huge pressure immediately. Can't help but feel he's going to be on an incredibly short leash and if it's not looking great in November then he'll be on his way

[Myleftboot]

1 minute ago, midds said:

Big day for him tomorrow. If the fixture list is going to throw out a stinker of an opening set of fixtures then he's going to be under huge pressure immediately. Can't help but feel he's going to be on an incredibly short leash and if it's not looking great in November then he'll be on his way

And bring in who though? The lists getting shorter.

[Ben]

Just now, Myleftboot said:

And bring in who though? The lists getting shorter.

 

Poch ?

[midds]

1 minute ago, Myleftboot said:

And bring in who though? The lists getting shorter.

No idea. But that doesn't mean it won't potentially happen, it's 2 different decisions

[black_n_white]

32 minutes ago, midds said:

Big day for him tomorrow. If the fixture list is going to throw out a stinker of an opening set of fixtures then he's going to be under huge pressure immediately. Can't help but feel he's going to be on an incredibly short leash and if it's not looking great in November then he'll be on his way

Historically we've started slow under Howe? Not sure I see that changing next season. I think he’ll be under pressure from week one.

[Mills and Boon]

He's been under pressure since day 1. He's thrived under it. Nowt new there.

 

I think the difference now is that there are people absolutely gagging to get the knives out at the first sign of a setback instead of getting behind the lads

[clintdempsey]

The main difference surely is that we’ve actually played pretty bad and had some pretty bad results and performances for a sustained period of time for the first time since his first 8-10 games?

[r0cafella]

All due respect to the believers, we lost as many games as the relegated teams last season despite the massive expenditure.

 

Some people didn't want him granted, but we can't just look past last season and claim people shouldn't have doubts. 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by r0cafella

[Myleftboot]

10 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

All due respect to the believers, we lost as much games as the relegated teams last season despite massive expenditure.

 

Some people didn't want him granted, but we can't just look past last season and claim people shouldn't have doubts. 

That’s why I think the ‘credit in the bank’ has been used up in a lot of peoples eyes.

[GWN]

Agree big start for him this year, its not looking good already , rinse and repeat looks on the cards.

[Shearergol]

2 hours ago, r0cafella said:

All due respect to the believers, we lost as many games as the relegated teams last season despite the massive expenditure.

 

Some people didn't want him granted, but we can't just look past last season and claim people shouldn't have doubts. 

 

 

 

 

£89m?

 

EDIT, Maybe £96m. Memory is failing

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Shearergol

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

 

£89m?

 

EDIT, Maybe £96m. Memory is failing

 

 

 

On a net basis yes. but net spend not so relevant now squad cost is and our two strikers are about 20% of our squad cost. 

 

It's real bad.

[sanyi75]

On 17/06/2026 at 15:19, gjohnson said:

I'm no Howe hater, but there quite a lot of alarming signs from things he was responsible for. Yes misplaced passes happen, crosses can be overhit, moments of monumental stupidity can happen, but these are on the players.

 

What Howe can and should have been responsible for is: Occasionally bizarre lineups and formations, predictable attacking (to the wing, cut back, no options back to defence or keeper) religious substitutions between 60-65 mins, motivation only obvious against 'bigger' teams, loyalty to favourites regardless of form or performance, failure to address the dropping of points after the 80th minute. The amount of times we also lost or dropped points after 90 mins is also pretty sickening.

 

The last one is the most galling...we lost something like 25 points from winning positions this season. If we'd kept even half of them we'd have been in CL again. 

A big if and everyone knows...if me auntie had b******s she'd be me uncle.

 

The transfers didn't help either, but ill not go into that much and ignore the money. In theory they should have delivered but for whatever reason they didn't. I doubt anyone would have thought Elanga would have totally forgotten how to football after his season with Forest, Wissa looked a safe bet for goals, Woltemade hasn't really been as bad as made out, but has been mis-used, Ramsey has been ok, and looks to be improving the more he plays. 

You summed this up well, and also added that when there was an opportunity to let the young players play, they didn't.

[Holmesy]

12 hours ago, Mills and Boon said:

He's been under pressure since day 1. He's thrived under it. Nowt new there.

 

I think the difference now is that there are people absolutely gagging to get the knives out at the first sign of a setback instead of getting behind the lads

This is a massive oversimplification as usual. There have been plenty of reasoned arguments as to why. In fact, i'd argue those of us who have lost faith have presented far more balanced arguments than those who blindly support him. The latter tend to lean on 'he won us a cup' and 'he's done it before so he'll do it again' (which he hasn't btw) with absolutely no acknowledgement that projects can just run their course and go stale.

It isn't the first sign of a setback that concerns people, it's the fact that the manager had a whole season to turn that setback around and couldn't. More alarming was that his attempts to do so centred around doing exactly the same thing every game with no change in fortune - same patterns every game costing us points. For the first time in his tenure, we saw Eddie's limitations laid bare and whether you like it or not, they are cause for concern. 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Holmesy

[Mills and Boon]

Like I say, people like you are going into the new season knives sharpened just waiting for your chance. You're not keen to put last season behind us, get behind him and the lads, show your support and get a positive atmosphere going. You're looking for the first excuse to turn toxic.

 

It's not an over simplification of anything, it's just the facts of the situation

[Holmesy]

2 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

Like I say, people like you are going into the new season knives sharpened just waiting for your chance. You're not keen to put last season behind us, get behind him and the lads, show your support and get a positive atmosphere going. You're looking for the first excuse to turn toxic.

 

It's not an over simplification of anything, it's just the facts of the situation

 Bollocks! It's your opinion, not facts.

I'm not going into the new season knives sharpened at all. I'm going into it hoping we do well because i'm a supporter of the club.
But yeah, if we see the same shit football being peddled and the same patterns emerging that cost us dearly last season, he will get the criticism he deserves, as would any other manager. If it looks like he's learned from the mistakes of last season, that shows progress and pragmatism and he'll rightly get the plaudits.

[Dokko]

2 difficult games before the window closes, so hopefully if something isn't working we have a chance to strengthen. I think those are good games to get out of the way. Liverpool with a new manager and big changes might not be clicking. Our crowd will want to crucify them over isak and general shit cunts they are. Spuds will be having an overhaul as well. Could catch them cold. Bournemouth with a new manager. So nothing is certain in them 3.

[J7]

15 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

Like I say, people like you are going into the new season knives sharpened just waiting for your chance. You're not keen to put last season behind us, get behind him and the lads, show your support and get a positive atmosphere going. You're looking for the first excuse to turn toxic.

 

It's not an over simplification of anything, it's just the facts of the situation

It’s not facts at all. If they start the season like we were last season, then of course he will be under pressure. If it’s better and there are changes, then he won’t be. There has to be reason for positivity beyond blind loyalty. 

[alexf]

I think playing Liverpool first game if the crowd get up for it, their new managers first game, a lot of their players probably not up to full speed yet due to late returns from world Cup and delayed pre-season. Isak possible return to add fuel to the atmosphere etc. 

 

Probably as good a chance as any to try and get a positive result for a change. 

 

That being said... will all depend on if we have managed to sign any decent players ourselves and able to generate some positivity going into the season. At the moment things look pretty bleak. 

[Mills and Boon]

Blind loyalty and blindly support? Here's me thinking when supporters go to the match the default position is to get behind the lads.

 

Honestly it just underlines my point. You'll support them providing Howe does things the way you want them to be done. Sounds like if you don't fancy the lineup on opening day then support is withdrawn. Conditional supporters.

 

As I said last night, he's been under pressure from day one. Comes with the job. There's a difference between pressure to succeed and your own support actively getting on your back and turning the atmosphere toxic 

[J7]

26 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

Blind loyalty and blindly support? Here's me thinking when supporters go to the match the default position is to get behind the lads.

 

Honestly it just underlines my point. You'll support them providing Howe does things the way you want them to be done. Sounds like if you don't fancy the lineup on opening day then support is withdrawn. Conditional supporters.

 

As I said last night, he's been under pressure from day one. Comes with the job. There's a difference between pressure to succeed and your own support actively getting on your back and turning the atmosphere toxic 

You’re talking about two different things. You can show full support for the team at a game, whilst also having opinions and expressing them away from the 90 minutes on the stadium.

[Wallsendmag]

29 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

Blind loyalty and blindly support? Here's me thinking when supporters go to the match the default position is to get behind the lads.

 

Honestly it just underlines my point. You'll support them providing Howe does things the way you want them to be done. Sounds like if you don't fancy the lineup on opening day then support is withdrawn. Conditional supporters.

 

As I said last night, he's been under pressure from day one. Comes with the job. There's a difference between pressure to succeed and your own support actively getting on your back and turning the atmosphere toxic 

 

Can anyone come up with any evidence to back this lad and his "toxic atmosphere" claims up please as I haven't got a clue what he's going on about. 

 

Last time I remember a "toxic" atmosphere at SJP was v Cardiff when Pardew was manager. Admittedly I only went to 1 game post Xmas last season so maybe it turned nasty which I didn't witness. If it did this is genuinely the first I've heard of it though.

 

[Holmesy]

11 minutes ago, Mills and Boon said:

Blind loyalty and blindly support? Here's me thinking when supporters go to the match the default position is to get behind the lads.

 

Honestly it just underlines my point. You'll support them providing Howe does things the way you want them to be done. Sounds like if you don't fancy the lineup on opening day then support is withdrawn. Conditional supporters.

 

As I said last night, he's been under pressure from day one. Comes with the job. There's a difference between pressure to succeed and your own support actively getting on your back and turning the atmosphere toxic 

And is that how you felt when Carver, Bruce and Kinnear were in charge? 

No, I absolutely won't blindly support a manager if he isn't learning from his mistakes and we're losing as a result and neither should anyone else because that's not how football works, doesn't matter if it's Eddie Howe or fucking Ghandi.

 

You're confusing loyalty to a football club with loyalty to a manager. I will always be loyal to the club but I couldn't give a shit who is in the dugout as long as they are moving us forward. If we lose the first few games of next season, no problem. If we lose the first few games seeing exactly the same patterns we saw last season, the negative noises will ramp up and rightly so. How could you even try to defend that?

 

 

[Groundhog63]

4 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Can anyone come up with any evidence to back this lad and his "toxic atmosphere" claims up please as I haven't got a clue what he's going on about. 

 

Last time I remember a "toxic" atmosphere at SJP was v Cardiff when Pardew was manager. Admittedly I only went to 1 game post Xmas last season so maybe it turned nasty which I didn't witness. If it did this is genuinely the first I've heard of it though.

 

You don't go anymore. What do you know 😉

[Holmesy]

4 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Can anyone come up with any evidence to back this lad and his "toxic atmosphere" claims up please as I haven't got a clue what he's going on about. 

 

Last time I remember a "toxic" atmosphere at SJP was v Cardiff when Pardew was manager. Admittedly I only went to 1 game post Xmas last season so maybe it turned nasty which I didn't witness. If it did this is genuinely the first I've heard of it though.

 

No, because it's horseshit