Eddie Howe

[Hovagod]

Okay. 

[TheBrownBottle]

10 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Can't even be bothered anymore engaging with it really. Most football fans really don't deserve a club worth following at all.

You know, some of us were watching this club in a crumbling SJP with crowds under 20,000 and with relegation to the third tier a very likely prospect.  I know that is the case for some of those criticising Howe.  The club wouldn’t exist for those who came along a lot later without that.

 

Probably best to knock this kind of patter on the head. 

[KaKa]

11 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

You know, some of us were watching this club in a crumbling SJP with crowds under 20,000 and with relegation to the third tier a very likely prospect.  I know that is the case for some of those criticising Howe.  The club wouldn’t exist for those who came along a lot later without that.

 

Probably best to knock this kind of patter on the head. 

 

I speak of fans of all clubs tbh.

 

They just watch the game to rage about their often wild expectations not being met, which means they then can't banter other fans online, which is all they care about.

 

They don't really appreciate or enjoy the sporting process of a team working it's way to the top, through the good and bad. Everything now or sack.

 

Well soon find out what these owners are made of. For people like you I hope they have some sense, because if they go with the loudest goofballs online, I would not be surprised in the least if it ends up heading down the road Chelsea are currently.

 

 

Edited January 2 by KaKa

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, KaKa said:

 

I speak of fans of all clubs tbh.

 

They just watch the game to rage about their often wild expectations not being met, which means they then can't banter other fans online, which is all they care about.

 

They don't really appreciate or enjoy the sporting process of a team working it's way to the top, through the good and bad. Everything now or sack.

 

Well soon find out what these owners are made of. For people like you I hope they have some sense, because if they go with the loudest goofballs online, I would not be surprised in the least if it ends up heading down the road Chelsea are currently.

 

 

 

I haven’t called for Howe to be sacked.  And pressure isn’t created by daft cunts on Twitter - it’s created by match-going supporters.  I’m not one of those anymore. 

 

The online ‘banter’ brigade tends to be an international collection of fucking weirdos, who go on about ‘Penaldo’ and other shite.  They’re not football fans at all as far as I’m concerned - I doubt they’ve ever been to a game in their lives.  They just comment on Twitter and YouTube.

[KaKa]

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I haven’t called for Howe to be sacked.  And pressure isn’t created by daft cunts on Twitter - it’s created by match-going supporters.  I’m not one of those anymore. 

 

The online ‘banter’ brigade tends to be an international collection of fucking weirdos, who go on about ‘Penaldo’ and other shite.  They’re not football fans at all as far as I’m concerned - I doubt they’ve ever been to a game in their lives.  They just comment on Twitter and YouTube.

 

Well my post wasn't directed at you specifically was it? Or anyone with any kind of common sense.

 

And unfortunately nowadays the noise online on all these social media plarforms does create pressure.

 

But hey, we'll see how it goes. The next year or so is going to give us all a better idea of the folks running the club, and how this whole thing is going to go.

 

 

Edited January 2 by KaKa

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

Well my post wasn't directed at you specifically was it? Or anyone with any kind of common sense.

 

And unfortunately nowadays the noise online on all these social media plarforms does create pressure.

 

But hey, we'll see how it goes. The next year or so is going to give us all a better idea of the folks running the club, and how this whole thing is going to go.

 

 

 

No, I know it wasn’t directed at me personally.  Just think that it’s best to ‘cool jets’ on talking about people ‘not deserving a football club’.  Some of us remember when Newcastle United’s existence was under threat - even the dafties going overboard on Howe don’t deserve that.  It’s all just opinions - theirs are no less valid than mine or yours. 

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

No, I know it wasn’t directed at me personally.  Just think that it’s best to ‘cool jets’ on talking about people ‘not deserving a football club’.  Some of us remember when Newcastle United’s existence was under threat - even the dafties going overboard on Howe don’t deserve that.  It’s all just opinions - theirs are no less valid than mine or yours. 

 

Well you'll have to forgive my complete and utter disgust with some of these takes.

 

But having suffered through the likes of Allardyce, Pardew and Bruce under Mike Ashley, I find it completely fucking astonishing that a manager that took us from relegation fodder to the Champions League in just over a year without the freedom to change the whole squad due to FFP is being questioned already.

 

It's his first really rough patch, and we're still not even out of competing for a European spot from now till the end of the season, and yet, so much noise.

 

Personally, I think it's ridiculous, and I'm really not sure such fans deserve anything good. And so we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

They are indeed entitled to their opinion, and that is just mine in response.

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

He’s not going to continue through the season if we keep losing every week.
 

Our form can’t continue like this forever, what’s the board’s threshold for withstanding losses in a row? If we lose all matches in the Luton (H), Forest (A) and Bournemouth (H), (on top of expected losses against City and Villa), he’ll most likely be gone.

[KaKa]

7 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

He’s not going to continue through the season if we keep losing every week.
 

Our form can’t continue like this forever, what’s the board’s threshold for withstanding losses in a row? If we lose all matches in the Luton (H), Forest (A) and Bournemouth (H), (on top of expected losses against City and Villa), he’ll most likely be gone.

 

'Our form can't continue like this forever ...'

 

So that's really what you anticipate happening?

 

Is that really likely from what we've seen from the manager previously?

[Holmesy]

14 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Well you'll have to forgive my complete and utter disgust with some of these takes.

 

But having suffered through the likes of Allardyce, Pardew and Bruce under Mike Ashley, I find it completely fucking astonishing that a manager that took us from relegation fodder to the Champions League in just over a year without the freedom to change the whole squad due to FFP is being questioned already.

 

It's his first really rough patch, and we're still not even out of competing for a European spot from now till the end of the season, and yet, so much noise.

 

Personally, I think it's ridiculous, and I'm really not sure such fans deserve anything good. And so we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

They are indeed entitled to their opinion, and that is just mine in response.

You surely can’t expect people to come on here after a series of shocking performances and be totally calm and objective?! I think your point is valid but football is a massively emotional sport to follow and we all care deeply about the club. We need somewhere to vent, the more mature among us and the rabid weirdos. 
My opinion is that those calling for EH to be sacked are morons, but theirs is probably that I’m an old dickhead. I’m alright with that. The one thing that I think most of us agree on is that EH did a phenomenal job last season but he is rightly being criticised for some poor management this season. Hopefully he’s given time to put it right and hopefully he has the ability to do that.

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

You surely can’t expect people to come on here after a series of shocking performances and be totally calm and objective?! I think your point is valid but football is a massively emotional sport to follow and we all care deeply about the club. We need somewhere to vent, the more mature among us and the rabid weirdos. 
My opinion is that those calling for EH to be sacked are morons, but theirs is probably that I’m an old dickhead. I’m alright with that. The one thing that I think most of us agree on is that EH did a phenomenal job last season but he is rightly being criticised for some poor management this season. Hopefully he’s given time to put it right and hopefully he has the ability to do that.

 

Yeah, fair enough. Just find this all quite disappointing.

 

Howe should be given the opportunity to bounce back from this IMO, because he has shown a lot of great qualities, and I'm really not sure why people are so confident we'll land someone better. For me the recruitment is the key part of all this, because ultimately, although the quality of players has been good, the balance hasn't been quite right and key areas have not been addressed or prioritised.

 

If this is a blind spot on Howe's part then Ashworth and Nickson need to step up and make that clear. 

 

 

[Holmesy]

2 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Yeah, fair enough. Just find this all quite disappointing.

 

Howe should be given the opportunity to bounce back from this IMO, because he has shown a lot of great qualities, and I'm really not sure why people are so confident we'll land someone better. For me the recruitment is the key part of all this, because ultimately, although the quality of players has been good, the balance hasn't been quite right and key areas have not been addressed or prioritised.

 

If this is a blind spot on Howe's part then Ashworth and Nickson need to step up and make that clear. 

 

 

I agree about replacing him. I just don’t see anyone out there that I would either want, or would like from a human perspective as much as Eddie. After enduring terminal pricks like Carver, Pardew and Bruce, EH is the perfect tonic.
 

[toon25]

Some good posts above 

[Menace]

I just don't understand the nonsense some people spout though. He has never ridiculed us as fans, always handles the media really well, doesn't use cliche sayings like "dust ourselves doon". Imagine if Arsenal sacked Arteta when they were in a rut for example.

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Holmesy said:

I agree about replacing him. I just don’t see anyone out there that I would either want, or would like from a human perspective as much as Eddie. After enduring terminal pricks like Carver, Pardew and Bruce, EH is the perfect tonic.
 

 

Yeah, can't think of any manager we could realistically get that would be a certainty.

 

I think we have a potentially great manager in Howe, but he needs more support recruitment wise.

 

Think he tends to go for a certain type of player as many on here have pointed out, which is fine, as the foundation of his team, but mixing in some different qualities would benefit us massively.

 

We could also do with balancing out the squad better when we do buy players, as that has not been done as well as it could have been.

 

The DOF and head of recruitment have to play a key role in those kinds of discussions. 

[The College Dropout]

We seem to have gone for Howe players to come straight into the team. And other profiles for squad players. Through varying reasons only 1 of them has had a proper impact and it took an injury crisis for him to get a chance.   

[KaKa]

Think a first team left back and a first team right winger could have been prioritised ahead of Tonali and Barnes. Bit confusing looking back at it.

[Kanj]

at some point you could easily switch to a double pivot (if Howe was ready to do it...) with Bruno and Tonali paired together and Joe Willock as a 10. Out of possession Willock drops in. 

 

Reality is - we need a LB, DM, Attacking Mid, RW and CF. And a few guys need to be moved on....

 

 

Edited January 2 by Kanji

[Jagten]

27 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Think a first team left back and a first team right winger could have been prioritised ahead of Tonali and Barnes. Bit confusing looking back at it.

It was the profiles that were disappointing, more so than the positions. Whilst neither have really played (and what I say might turn out to be incorrect), Tonali and Barnes reflected a concentration of our position in our existing tactical framework, failing to consider that aspects of it might be unsustainable, especially under fatigue (some of which was very unlucky). 

 

 

Edited January 2 by Jagten

[Strawberry]

21 hours ago, Newcastle Fan said:

 

I've mentioned this before but Dan Ashworth takes more blame than Eddie; Eddie had a team made mostly out of Steve Bruce's players beat psg 4-1 in the champions league; our recuritment and prepration for this  season have been terrible and the DOF takes the blame for that.

I couldn't agree more also if he wants out let him leave.

[madras]

7 minutes ago, Jagten said:

It was the profiles that were disappointing, more so than the positions. Whilst neither have really played (and what I say might turn out to be incorrect), Tonali and Barnes reflected a concentration of our position in our existing tactical framework, failing to consider that aspects of it might be unsustainable, especially under fatigue (some of which was very unlucky). 

 

 

 

Was it not unsustainable under fatigue due to those two players and others being out for months at a time ?

 

There was a point last season or I  the close season when Eddie said we'd have to become a more possession based team, Tonali was integral to that.

[Whitley mag]

Howe out.

 

That’s Andy his nephew head of 1st team technical scouting.

[et tu brute]

Get beat on Saturday and he's then under massive pressure like it or not. Get beat the two games after and we are struggling to qualify for any European football next year, which will impact on FFP and values of incoming sponsorship. I'm far from convinced that the PIF side of the owners will accept that. I think we will win Saturday (ok certainly should anyway).

 

 

Edited January 2 by et tu brute

[Jagten]

7 minutes ago, madras said:

Was it not unsustainable under fatigue due to those two players and others being out for months at a time ?

 

There was a point last season or I  the close season when Eddie said we'd have to become a more possession based team, Tonali was integral to that.

For sure, but the extent to which we can attribute other injuries to the physical demands of our style is probably non-zero

 

I think Tonali’s greatest asset is out of possession, and I don’t think he’s quite the technician many might hope. What’s odd is that Barella definitely was that person, and I’m not sure Tonali was the next logical step

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Jagten said:

For sure, but the extent to which we can attribute other injuries to the physical demands of our style is probably non-zero

 

I think Tonali’s greatest asset is out of possession, and I don’t think he’s quite the technician many might hope. What’s odd is that Barella definitely was that person, and I’m not sure Tonali was the next logical step

Yeah, that was what I saw from Tonali - admittedly via a handful of European games last season; I haven’t watched Serie A for a long time.  He has never looked like a great technical footballer.