Eddie Howe

[Lush Vlad]

1 minute ago, nufc123 said:

Only been on the last five pages or so (dont know about the pages before that), and its really not that bad. People talking about 7th-10th being okey or not. People pointing out questions for the rest of the season. No reason for that outburst at all. Its like walking on needles in here sometimes.

Depends on your outlook. 
 

I understand and appreciate this season hasn’t gone to plan. So there will be negativity. I was raging after Chelsea and felt that was one of the worst so called performances of the season. I understand the frustrations. 
 

But more and more on here. There are posters that seem so dismissive of Howe, the players, all of the factors and circumstances involved. It’s depressing as fuck across most NUFC related threads.
 

Rightly or wrongly. I feel like plenty of fans on here, at the match, on social media and beyond. Have become impatient. After years of dross. A rebuild that takes more than 2-2.5 seasons is unacceptable and we need a change. That’s how it reads to me. 

[madras]

1 minute ago, Thumbheed said:

 

What's on offer is not "not finishing 7th" it's objectively speaking being '3 points off 7th with 10 games to go'.  (Plus 2 QF's)

 

Put another way, if you were told at the beginning of the season that after 28 games you'd be 3 points off 7th, then would you put significant money on us finishing 7th from that position?

 

Depends on the odds and that would depend on what other bets the bookie has taken, NOT what he thinks the likelihood is.

[Paullow]

1 minute ago, madras said:

You don't get mitigating factors ? I wasn't expecting the worst set of long term injuries etc since I've been going (1974), if I'd known that I'd have altered my expectations. As it is you predict a kind of average, you know everyone won't be 100% fit every game, some will miss few, you may get one or two long termers but this season has been mad for it.

 

Of course I get the struggles, but again, I was originally responding to that Thumbhead's post about why wouldn't anyone accept the following criteria at the start of the season, which is obviously before the injury nightmare, tough draws, fixture congesting etc. became apparent, suggesting what we have done and where we currently are now would have been acceptable before a ball was kicked, and like many, I disagreed, and still do. That was my original point.

 

Taking everything into account, I'd have still liked a few extra points on the board, especially against the likes of Luton x 2, Bournemouth, Forest etc. where we would have still had enough quality, despite the set backs, to have picked up more points than we have, and be sitting in a healthier position.

 

To go from having the joint best defense in the league last season to suddenly having only 6 teams concede more in the whole league, is frustrating, and some of the goals we have conceded have been pathetic, and in many cases we need 3, 4, 5 goals to get any kind of result.

[Keegans Export]

3 minutes ago, Thumbheed said:

 

What's on offer is not "not finishing 7th" it's objectively speaking being '3 points off 7th with 10 games to go'.  (Plus 2 QF's)

 

Put another way, if you were told at the beginning of the season that after 28 games you'd be 3 points off 7th, then would you put significant money on us finishing 7th from that position?

 

No I wouldn't. We are three points off but there are also three teams we need to overtake. 

 

Before the season I'd have 7th as the lower end of what I'd be happy with, I'm not going to be happy at having to play catch-up on that target with 10 games to go. 

[madras]

1 minute ago, Paullow said:

 

Of course I get the struggles, but again, I was originally responding to that Thumbhead's post about why wouldn't anyone accept the following criteria at the start of the season, which is obviously before the injury nightmare, tough draws, fixture congesting etc. became apparent, suggesting what we have done and where we currently are now would have been acceptable before a ball was kicked, and like many, I disagreed, and still do. That was my original point.

 

Taking everything into account, I'd have still liked a few extra points on the board, especially against the likes of Luton x 2, Bournemouth, Forest etc. where we would have still had enough quality, despite the set backs, to have picked up more points than we have, and be sitting in a healthier position.

 

To go from having the joint best defense in the league last season to suddenly having only 6 teams concede more in the whole league, is frustrating, and some of the goals we have conceded have been pathetic, and in many cases we need 3, 4, 5 goals to get any kind of result.

A lot of the reason for that was last season we made the 2nd most amount of subs and most were in the forward 6 positions. This season we can't and that impacts on both sides of our play.

[McDog]

Just now, Keegans Export said:

No I wouldn't. We are three points off but there are also three teams we need to overtake. 

 

Before the season I'd have 7th as the lower end of what I'd be happy with, I'm not going to be happy at having to play catch-up on that target with 10 games to go. 

 

I can't imagine anyone is happy. It kind of feels like the equivalent of a ship taking a torpedo to the side. They were bailing and just keeping above water. That giant Sandro kick in the nuts kind of set the tone for me.

 

[Displayname]

13 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

Plenty saying how they expected 6th or 7th as a bare minimum. But have seemingly decided to ignore genuine reasons and circumstances for why we are where we are and how that ‘might’ now be beyond us. Despite the fact we have 10 games to go. Their minds are made up. 
 

Reactionary nonsense about Howe, tactics, certain players being unfairly scapegoated (I’m guilty of this as wel, TBF). 
 

No patience whatsoever after our best season for 20 odd years. 
 

Thinly veiled digs about wanting Howe gone. It’s obvious reading posts who wants someone else in in his place. 
 

I’m not 100% happy with everything Howe has done. But even Klopp and Guardiola get things wrong and cop

flak from fans. Nobody’s perfect. 
 

We have become a bunch of expectant, entitled wankers, it seems. 

 

 

 

Not a single person have said that they expected 6-7 as a bare minimum.

No one is ignoring the circumstances, we are replying to what we would have taken before the season started. 

 

A few posts are negative about a player or tactics after a loss, not a big deal.

Nearly everyone here is willing to be patient and let him stay over the summer.

 

[nufc123]

1 minute ago, Lush Vlad said:

Depends on your outlook. 
 

I understand and appreciate this season hasn’t gone to plan. So there will be negativity. I was raging after Chelsea and felt that was one of the worst so called performances of the season. I understand the frustrations. 
 

But more and more on here. There are posters that seem so dismissive of Howe, the players, all of the factors and circumstances involved. It’s depressing as fuck across most NUFC related threads.
 

Rightly or wrongly. I feel like plenty of fans on here, at the match, on social media and beyond. Have become impatient. After years of dross. A rebuild that takes more than 2-2.5 seasons is unacceptable and we need a change. That’s how it reads to me. 

You are sound. Just as people are sick of reading over and over the same issues with Howe and the debate back and fourth, its tiresome reading...if you dont like Howe or have forgot how it was under Ashley go and support another club. Or if you dont like Howe you are a cunt. Its one word in here sometimes and the FBI almost are running down the house. We are 10th and out of everything. I dont think the City game has anything to do with people going into this thread after the game. Some are probably shit posts, but other than that fair questions are being raised in here. 10th or even worse below is a disappointing season no matter what, and its not the fans who have sent out those vibes. 

[The College Dropout]

31 minutes ago, Stifler said:

We are not at the stage yet where losing a game against Man City away in the FA Cup quarter final is grounds to sack him.

 

Right now we are in the final stages of the season with a chance of a European place, maybe an outside chance, but still a chance.

If they are being honest with themselves, the owners will know that this is about where they thought we would be 2 full seasons into their ownership.

 

Considering last season, we are all massively frustrated this season. I do have my reservations about him being naive and willing to risk losing a game heavily in attempts to win one, as well as the selection of some players when others are available. However right now, he is doing what he’s required to do, he’s on track, or not far off it with allowances to be given to him.

They definitely don’t think we should be 10th.  
 

today is whatever. Relieved we didn’t get thumped 3+.  
 

Massive 10 games ahead. 

[Thumbheed]

5 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

No I wouldn't. We are three points off but there are also three teams we need to overtake. 

 

Before the season I'd have 7th as the lower end of what I'd be happy with, I'm not going to be happy at having to play catch-up on that target with 10 games to go. 

 

You'd have taken 7th and nothing less.

 

So the difference between the season being a relative success is (objectively speaking) 1 more win and 1 less loss, and furthermore you would not be happy being lower than that position at any point of the season, irrespective of whether we still have over 25% of the season still left to play. 

 

I know I said I'd end it with my previous post but I think I definitely will now seeing as though that's your actual position ?

[The College Dropout]

Actually glad he tried some new things in the game. 

[The College Dropout]

Yes beating Luton and drawing Forest would change the complexion of the season a bit. 
 

 

[Keegans Export]

1 minute ago, Thumbheed said:

 

You'd have taken 7th and nothing less.

 

So the difference between the season being a relative success is (objectively speaking) 1 more win and 1 less loss, and furthermore you would not be happy being lower than that position at any point of the season, irrespective of whether we still have over 25% of the season still left to play. 

 

I know I said I'd end it with my previous post but I think I definitely will now seeing as though that's your actual position ?

Yes, 7th is the bottom end of what I would have considered a successful season and therefore would be happy with.

 

Being lower than that at some point in the season is one thing, but being a number of places lower than that is not something that I am happy with, no. Chelsea win their game in hand and we are 11th. A long way back from 7th. 

 

I'm not entirely sure what's so outrageous about that position but clearly it's bothering you so no problem if you'd rather leave it there.

[Vaj]

No issues with Howe at all tonight, Man City are unbelievable and losing felt pretty inevitable. Without the bad luck for the goals, who knows what could have happened.
 

Season far from over, 8th has a decent shout of being Europe and we have a decent run in on paper. Let’s go again in a few weeks! 

[The College Dropout]

‘You wouldn’t have been happy with 10th?’ Is the best hot take on here in years.  Man is defending it to the ends.  

[Whitley mag]

Howe will be here next season even if we don’t win another game this season. It’s to be hoped everyone comes back re-charged and with a slightly refined playing style. I don’t think even without European football we can repeat the high intensity pressing of last season again, without the knock on impact of fatigue and injuries blighting us again.

 

Howe needs to replace some of the less technically gifted players like Burn, Longstaff and Almiron with players who are good on the ball. 
 

Pressing has its place but we need to be able to control games so where not playing like that every week. Massive summer ahead and needs to show he has vision in transfer market to take us to next level.

[The College Dropout]

With some bad luck I thought we could finish 8th.  Behind the top 6 and Villa.  

[Thumbheed]

10 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

Yes, 7th is the bottom end of what I would have considered a successful season and therefore would be happy with.

 

Being lower than that at some point in the season is one thing, but being a number of places lower than that is not something that I am happy with, no. Chelsea win their game in hand and we are 11th. A long way back from 7th. 

 

I'm not entirely sure what's so outrageous about that position but clearly it's bothering you so no problem if you'd rather leave it there.

 

Surely surely you can see the gaping wide contradiction between thinking that at the beginning of the season 7th was the minimum we should be achieving whilst also thinking we wouldnt be good enough to make up a 3 point gap to get to 7th with a quarter of the season left?? 

 

Both of those things can't be true ffs 

 

Anyway 

[TheBrownBottle]

28 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

You are sound. Just as people are sick of reading over and over the same issues with Howe and the debate back and fourth, its tiresome reading...if you dont like Howe or have forgot how it was under Ashley go and support another club. Or if you dont like Howe you are a cunt. Its one word in here sometimes and the FBI almost are running down the house. We are 10th and out of everything. I dont think the City game has anything to do with people going into this thread after the game. Some are probably shit posts, but other than that fair questions are being raised in here. 10th or even worse below is a disappointing season no matter what, and its not the fans who have sent out those vibes. 

I'm still trying to forget the Ashley era; it certainly shouldn't be used as a benchmark, and not sure why people use watching us during it as a badge of honour.  Plenty of us have experienced much, much worse than our lowest ebb being a couple of second division titles (football wise, the Ashley era was hardly the worst anyone 40+ has experienced). 

 

I honestly don't remember during the poor run in the second half of 94-95 people saying 'hey, do remember how shit 90/91 was, how you were bored to tears at the back end of Smith's reign and how we just looked every part a mid-table second division club playing regularly in front of sub-20k crowds.  Now you should stop saying KK should drop Rob Lee, or if not you can fuck off and watch Man Utd'.

 

 

Edited March 16 by TheBrownBottle

[Paullow]

Just found this thread:

 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

3 minutes ago, Paullow said:

Just found this thread:

 

 

And another:

 

 

[midds]

6.5th was par before the season kicked off imo. We've been dealt a harsh hand this year but that's the standard he'll be judged by tbh. Anything less than par and he'll be asked some very uncomfortable questions at the end of the season

[et tu brute]

32 minutes ago, nufc123 said:

You are sound. Just as people are sick of reading over and over the same issues with Howe and the debate back and fourth, its tiresome reading...if you dont like Howe or have forgot how it was under Ashley go and support another club. Or if you dont like Howe you are a cunt. Its one word in here sometimes and the FBI almost are running down the house. We are 10th and out of everything. I dont think the City game has anything to do with people going into this thread after the game. Some are probably shit posts, but other than that fair questions are being raised in here. 10th or even worse below is a disappointing season no matter what, and its not the fans who have sent out those vibes. 

Yeah good post, we saw the same  when Rafa was here also. We have some in the silly camp of wanting Howe out now and we also have some in the silly camp who will hear nothing negative about him. The form since December has been pretty terrible, so I would expect discussions (reasonable) on the issues surrounding this. Doesn't make you a poor supporter if you have issues to raise which are of a concern. It's a forum after all. 

[Ginola14]

 

"We have a responsibility in the final 10 games to make sure we're the most competitive team we can be. I still feel we have a huge amount to play for."

 

I love his determination to win every game attitude. 

 

Compared to the Pardew/Bruce years when it seemed they were more interested in planning their summer holidays 

 

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, Ginola14 said:

 

"We have a responsibility in the final 10 games to make sure we're the most competitive team we can be. I still feel we have a huge amount to play for."

 

I love his determination to win every game attitude. 

 

Compared to the Pardew/Bruce years when it seemed they were more interested in planning their summer holidays 

 

It’s a different club.