Eddie Howe

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Season's nadir, that. Out of the CL cruelly the week or so before. then getting lucky with it only being a 1-0 defeat at Luton. A few days later going a goal up against Forest before collapsing, Chris Wood being made to look like prime Berbatov and Forest looking like 2007-08 Man Utd on the counter attack.

 

Aye, that was like a week out of my life transferred into the body of nufc. 

 

It was hard going and took a couple of months to get over. Anything learned from that is to bounce back quicker, and they will. That level of disappointment was hard to take from everyone.

[Dr Jinx]

He’s pretty much universally liked here, loved maybe.. he’s not got that Keegan sentimentality that tugs at the heart strings so there’ll always be a sort of politeness/well spoken vibe with him.

 

But as someone mentioned, you’d only swap him for a small handful of managers globally. And I’d echo that. I think though, the difference between him and that small handful of managers is the difference between doing really really well and then actually winning trophies.

 

Am happy for him to continue and I hope he can address some of the issues that have plagued us this year. It’s a big summer coming up. I want to be proven wrong like.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

You want to be proven wrong but you think he’s one of the best managers in the world? 

[McDog]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

You want to be proven wrong but you think he’s one of the best managers in the world? 

 

 

Fair point. 

[Pata]

5 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

I think though, the difference between him and that small handful of managers is the difference between doing really really well and then actually winning trophies.

 

I don't think this is fair. It would be really hard even for Pep or Klopp to win trophies with this squad when the competition is so tough unless we get a favourable run of cup ties like in LC last season. Just have to stay patient and keep improving the squad.

[Vinny Green Balls]

2 hours ago, McDog said:

 

 

Not the majority, certainly a smaller minority but once things started to unravel there were big questions being asked and "Howe is on thin ice" seemed to be mentioned alot around here. Now, as far as the fanbase not on here? I, unfortunately for me, do not live in Newcastle or even England so not sure. You might be 100% right, I would hope you would be.

Ronaldo is like a WWE referee on here. There are 3 or 4 usual suspects on this forum. Certainly not even a sizable majority though. They just post a lot.

[Pata]

Absolutely mad looking table in expected points considering the circumstances, finished fourth ahead of Chelsea. N-O darling Emery 10 points behind, media darling Ange 8 points behind. Not even going to mention Erik the fraud, hope he gets another season. Eddie is a magician.

 

[Kanji]

Liverpool home, West Ham away, Everton home. 

 

 

Edited May 20 by Kanji

[Kanji]

Pope all season we are 6th.

Pope + JL all season we’re 5th. 
Pope + JL + Barnes all season we’re 4th.

add Tonali and Botman all season we’ve won the World Cup. 

[McDog]

Just now, Kanji said:

Pope all season we are 6th.

Pope + JL all season we’re 5th. 
Pope + JL + Barnes all season we’re 4th.

add Tonali and Botman all season we’ve won the World Cup. 

 

 

That would been epic. First time ever a non national team won the World Cup, but alas, not to be.

[Stottie]

8 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Pope all season we are 6th.

Pope + JL all season we’re 5th. 
Pope + JL + Barnes all season we’re 4th.

add Tonali and Botman all season we’ve won the World Cup. 

This undercooks it. Pope alone probably gives us fifth. Villa in fourth even only finished 8 points above us.

 

I see the season as mostly good but with some exasperating "sliding doors" moments. Here are a selection.

Liverpool home. Any of the misses and Alisson save from Miggy when 1-0 up. Both Nunez goals also came from sloppy errors. 

Everton away 70 mins in, looking good to go on and snatch it, and the ball goes under Trippier's foot. It kicks off the lose 6 out of 7 streak.

CL Dortmund away, a goal down but Tino gets in down the right, superb cross and Joelinton misses a point blank header. They get a second at the death

CL PSG away, the pen....

Carabao, winning with a weak team, minutes to go. Trippier gives it to Mudryk. Lose in penalty shootout.

Man City home. KDB coming on and Dubravak not saving that shot.

 

Just to show how knee jerk the media are, after our loss at Brighton, the tv people etc were calling Ferguson the new Shearer. Look at the season he and Brighton have had since. He may develop into a great striker, but he's certainly not there yet.

 

[Leemond]

6 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

It's happened absolutely loads this season; surely a tactic. 

 

Burn and Botman vs Sheffield United

Almiron and Bruno vs Sheffield United

Isak x2 vs West Ham

Gordon and Longstaff vs Palace

Lascelles and Joelinton vs Chelsea

Isak and Gordon vs Man City

Schar x2 vs Villa

Isak and OG vs Sheffield United

Longstaff and Bruno vs Burnley

Murphy and Isak vs Brentford

 

That's goals with five minutes or fewer between them. It would be even more if I'd extended it to only six or seven minutes. 

Spurs too. Camera cut back to play as Gordon was slotting it in.

[Lordshola]

Couldn’t beat Luton with 2 attempts… 

[Monkey Alan]

I like how he's not one of these managers who tells his players do it this way or that way. He goes 'do it this way, if you like'.

 

 

Edited May 20 by Monkey Alan

[Cronky]

7 hours ago, Pata said:

Absolutely mad looking table in expected points considering the circumstances, finished fourth ahead of Chelsea. N-O darling Emery 10 points behind, media darling Ange 8 points behind. Not even going to mention Erik the fraud, hope he gets another season. Eddie is a magician.

 

 

Lies, damned lies and statistics. More than anything, for me, this calls into question the value of this concept of 'expected goals', or how it's calculated.

 

Man U on 44 points, us 8 points ahead of Spurs and 10 in front of Villa? 

 

The best stat that I've come across for predicting results is 'shots on target'. 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

Lies, damned lies and statistics. More than anything, for me, this calls into question the value of this concept of 'expected goals', or how it's calculated.

 

Man U on 44 points, us 8 points ahead of Spurs and 10 in front of Villa? 

 

The best stat that I've come across for predicting results is 'shots on target'. 

 

Using this argument then, what's a more likely chance to score. A 30-yard daisy cutter that rolls straight to the keeper, or a chance like Joelinton's yesterday?

 

 

Edited May 20 by Optimistic Nut

[Boey_Jarton]

15 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

Lies, damned lies and statistics. More than anything, for me, this calls into question the value of this concept of 'expected goals', or how it's calculated.

 

Man U on 44 points, us 8 points ahead of Spurs and 10 in front of Villa? 

 

The best stat that I've come across for predicting results is 'shots on target'. 

Nearly everything about the table reconciled with my intuition. 

[Andy]

There isn't a stat that can predict results, at least not very well, football is unpredictable.

 

This is proven every time someone posts a table like that to show a team has underperformed or overperformed their xG/xPts or whatever else. It's not that the team has under or over performed, it's that the data is flawed apart from at the extreme ends of the scale. A team's results over a full season is their correct level. 

[madras]

21 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

Lies, damned lies and statistics. More than anything, for me, this calls into question the value of this concept of 'expected goals', or how it's calculated.

 

Man U on 44 points, us 8 points ahead of Spurs and 10 in front of Villa? 

 

The best stat that I've come across for predicting results is 'shots on target'. 

Shots on target would say that a shot that trickles towards the goal from 40yds that the keeper literally puts his hat on is as good a chance as someone missing an open goal from 2 yds out.

 

XG is a guide, not a conclusive picture.

 

XG is just like coming out from the match and saying to your mate "we got lucky there, we won one nowt but they missed three sitters"

[The College Dropout]

16 minutes ago, Andy said:

There isn't a stat that can predict results, at least not very well, football is unpredictable.

 

This is proven every time someone posts a table like that to show a team has underperformed or overperformed their xG/xPts or whatever else. It's not that the team has under or over performed, it's that the data is flawed apart from at the extreme ends of the scale. A team's results over a full season is their correct level. 

Don’t agree with this. 
 

Over the course of a season the stats tell a true story. But you might have to dig to find the true story. 
 

For example Dyche Burnley consistently beat their Xgc. A combination of high volume low quality shots conceded and a great GK was the reason. 

[The College Dropout]

7 hours ago, Pata said:

Absolutely mad looking table in expected points considering the circumstances, finished fourth ahead of Chelsea. N-O darling Emery 10 points behind, media darling Ange 8 points behind. Not even going to mention Erik the fraud, hope he gets another season. Eddie is a magician.

 

Villa have been doing that since Emery joined. Think Martinez is a big part of that.  
 

I think selling Martinez has been Arteta’s biggest mistake. He might’ve made the difference this season or last. 

[Bondedcrown]

8 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

You want to be proven wrong but you think he’s one of the best managers in the world? 

Some of the quotes on here are embarassing! a lack of having played anything other than 5 a side with their mates being the main cause!

[Bondedcrown]

2 hours ago, Monkey Alan said:

I like how he's not one of these managers who tells his players do it this way or that way. He goes 'do it this way, if you like'.

 

 

 

You know that how?

[Andy]

37 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Don’t agree with this. 
 

Over the course of a season the stats tell a true story. But you might have to dig to find the true story. 
 

For example Dyche Burnley consistently beat their Xgc. A combination of high volume low quality shots conceded and a great GK was the reason. 

 

They might "tell a story" but they aren't a good metric for evaluation of where a team should have finished, or whether a team should have won a game. 

 

In the case of Dyche's Burnley for example, they didn't "outperform their xGc", they performed at their expected level because they have a good keeper and restricted chances. 

 

These stats don't take into account individual ability of players at both ends of the pitch, which is the major flaw. A chance is only as good as the players involved. 

[80]

I'm under the impression the publicly published xGs are a pale shadow of what clubs calculate internally.