Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

44 minutes ago, astraguy said:

what a post by @thelittlemans

The Bobby Robson comment is a right old load of bollocks mind.  Robson should’ve been sacked earlier - the issue was appointing Souness, not sacking Robson.  

[madras]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The Bobby Robson comment is a right old load of bollocks mind.  Robson should’ve been sacked earlier - the issue was appointing Souness, not sacking Robson.  

Not allowed to say that man.

[Holmesy]

1 hour ago, JEToon said:

but for a penalty scored and a moment of daftness today we’d be joint third. 

Have we been great, no, not really. I just can’t get this world on fire thing quite yet personally 

 

 

 

I get that but we’re not. But for a Man City win last season we’d be in Europe. But for a dodgy decision in the CL we might have gone through. There are a million ifs, buts and maybe.

The fact is we’re crap at the moment and we’re getting what we deserve. 

He’s been hung out to dry with the lack of signings but we still have a squad capable of doing more than it’s doing now.

[TheBrownBottle]

6 minutes ago, madras said:

Not allowed to say that man.

Shit, did I write that rather than think it? 😀

 

Daft isn’t it?  The number of dafties in our support who rewrite the history of Robson at the club.  They’d get along famously with the knackers on RTG

[et tu brute]

12 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The Bobby Robson comment is a right old load of bollocks mind.  Robson should’ve been sacked earlier - the issue was appointing Souness, not sacking Robson.  

Of course it was, there is some right bollocks being spouted on here. The standard of performance and results are nowhere near good enough. It's up to the manager to sort it out, something he does not seem capable of doing presently. 0 shots against the team who were second bottom in the league is not acceptable. This is not a one off, I was fully expecting a response after Monday night, but that today was beyond unacceptable and the manager's comments after the game were quite alarming 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2024 by et tu brute

[JEToon]

7 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I get that but we’re not. But for a Man City win last season we’d be in Europe. But for a dodgy decision in the CL we might have gone through. There are a million ifs, buts and maybe.

The fact is we’re crap at the moment and we’re getting what we deserve. 

He’s been hung out to dry with the lack of signings but we still have a squad capable of doing more than it’s doing now.

What we deserve is still, to go back to it, in the race for Europe and a Cup.

 

“Crap” is hyperbole, but that’s what people feel makes a point stronger online. 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2024 by JEToon

[Alberto2005]

I really like Eddie, I want him to be the first manager to win a trophy with us.

 

At the same time I'm starting to have some doubts about him for the first time.

 

Maybe that's a little greedy, as we aren't doing too bad plus 4th and 7th placed finishes are impressive tbf.

 

My concern is he seems very stubborn to one way of playing, and that makes me wonder if there's better out there.

[TheBrownBottle]

14 minutes ago, et tu brute said:

Of course it was, there is some right bollocks being spouted on here. The standard of performance and results are nowhere near good enough. It's up to the manager to sort it out, something he does not seem capable of doing presently. 0 shots against the team who were second bottom in the league is not acceptable. This is not a one off, I was fully expecting a response after Monday night, but that today was beyond unacceptable and the manager's comments after the game were quite alarming 

 

 

 

I didn’t like Howe’s comments either.  I know he isn’t going to kick his players under the bus, but I don’t think they could’ve spat their dummies out if he criticised the collective performance.  If he genuinely thinks that performance was decent then we’ve got big problems.

 

I still think it’s too soon to talk about sacking him, but I wouldn’t exactly be up in arms if he was.  

[et tu brute]

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

I didn’t like Howe’s comments either.  I know he isn’t going to kick his players under the bus, but I don’t think they could’ve spat their dummies out if he criticised the collective performance.  If he genuinely thinks that performance was decent then we’ve got big problems.

 

I still think it’s too soon to talk about sacking him, but I wouldn’t exactly be up in arms if he was.  

I'm of the opinion it will be the owners who ultimately decide and I'm quite happy to accept that. Be interesting, as I think they will be definitely be looking for European football come the end of the season. Do they think Howe can bring that? If not do they want to change it before it becomes too late? 

[andyc35i]

As much as I love the guy, you always got the sense that he was going to end up being a transitional manager. The guy that brings stability, changes our fortunes and gets us in the top half of the league. I think the owners would love him to be the man that brings success, but I can’t see him staying long term with how we’ve been playing more recently and our inability to evolve as a team 

[NEEJ]

34 minutes ago, madras said:

Not allowed to say that man.

Give owa. You absolutely are allowed to say that here.

[KaKa]

The thing giving me the greatest concern is the team setup and who will be playing where going forward.

 

This currently looks all over the place. A longer term view needs to be taken with the decisions being made currently.

 

If the plan is to bring in a right winger for the first team, then decide who is going to be on the left wing for the first team long term from Gordon or Barnes and play them on the left, and then stick the other on the right as a temporary fix.

 

Central midfield then needs to be looked at in order to figure out how best to get Joelinton, Bruno and Tonali working together tactically. Willock has shown that he is not going to be consistent or reliable enough to feature in the first team now.

 

The indecision and confusion in the front three and midfield three is absolutely maddening. We need a consistent team that is being drilled to play together and build some rhythm and chemistry.

 

Shaky results and performances are one thing, but it's the lack of direction for me really. If there was a clear team and direction we were working towards, it wouldn't be anywhere near as worrying, and you'd at least feel things would pick up soon.

 

At the moment it just feels chaotic, and it's going to be very difficult to turn things around this way.

[Holmesy]

17 minutes ago, JEToon said:

What we deserve is still, to go back to it, in the race for Europe and a Cup.

 

“Crap” is hyperbole, but that’s what people feel makes a point stronger online. 

 

 

 

Is 10th place really considered ‘in the race for Europe’? 
By that token, Bournemouth are also

in the race for Europe because they’re mid-table too?

I’m all for a bit of optimism but that’s reaching a bit.
 

[Whitley mag]

9 minutes ago, KaKa said:

The thing giving me the greatest concern is the team setup and who will be playing where going forward.

 

This currently looks all over the place. A longer term view needs to be taken with the decisions being made currently.

 

If the plan is to bring in a right winger for the first team, then decide who is going to be on the left wing for the first team long term from Gordon or Barnes and play them on the left, and then stick the other on the right as a temporary fix.

 

Central midfield then needs to be looked at in order to figure out how best to get Joelinton, Bruno and Tonali working together tactically. Willock has shown that he is not going to be consistent or reliable enough to feature in the first team now.

 

The indecision and confusion in the front three and midfield three is absolutely maddening. We need a consistent team that is being drilled to play together and build some rhythm and chemistry.

 

Shaky results and performances are one thing, but it's the lack of direction for me really. If there was a clear team and direction we were working towards, it wouldn't be anywhere near as worrying, and you'd at least feel things would pick up soon.

 

At the moment it just feels chaotic, and it's going to be very difficult to turn things around this way.

We simply don’t have any technicians in the team, the passing even from Bruno is so sloppy. Not sure what the answer is with the personnel, but ultimately Howe has built a team based on power and pace and left us looking way short offensively.

[Disco]

He’s been dealt an extremely poor hand this season but it’s absolutely right to ask questions why our attacking play has gone backwards like it has. 

[Lush Vlad]

50 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

I really like Eddie, I want him to be the first manager to win a trophy with us.

 

At the same time I'm starting to have some doubts about him for the first time.

 

Maybe that's a little greedy, as we aren't doing too bad plus 4th and 7th placed finishes are impressive tbf.

 

My concern is he seems very stubborn to one way of playing, and that makes me wonder if there's better out there.

It actually hurts me to say it. But I’m now similar to this. 
 

[Scotty66]

Remember when we were down 0-2 to Brentford and he changed to a 4-2-3-1 for that second half and we turned it around quite convincingly.

We've hardly ever seen that system again have we? 

Thought that might be his reliable plan B but it doesn't seem like it. We went 4-4-2 against West Ham in the end so maybe he doesn't like it anymore.

 

I do think teams are finding it easy to nullify us though. We set out the same every week and don't really give the opposition manager problems formation wise.

 

Just mark Gordon,Isak and Bruno out of the game/ give them no space and / or sit deep,compact and force us out wide and we are heavily limited in what we can do.

 

We can smash teams that come at us leaving space in the middle and allowing us to get in behind. That happened a lot during our Champions League qualifying season, but hardly anyone allows that now and I think the results reflect that.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Scotty66

[JEToon]

29 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

Is 10th place really considered ‘in the race for Europe’? 
By that token, Bournemouth are also

in the race for Europe because they’re mid-table too?

I’m all for a bit of optimism but that’s reaching a bit.
 

It is in the context of how the league season is playing out 

We have the same points as Villa and Spurs for fuck sake

 

its not optimistic it’s reality, had we won today we’d have been 2 points off third 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by JEToon

[Alberto2005]

14 minutes ago, Scotty66 said:

Remember when we were down 0-2 to Brentford and he changed to a 4-2-3-1 for that second half and we turned it around quite convincingly.

We've hardly ever seen that system again have we? 

Thought that might be his reliable plan B but it doesn't seem like it. We went 4-4-2 against West Ham in the end so maybe he doesn't like it anymore.

 

I do think teams are finding it easy to nullify us though. We set out the same every week and don't really give the opposition manager problems formation wise.

 

Just mark Gordon,Isak and Bruno out of the game/ give them no space and / or sit deep,compact and force us out wide and we are heavily limited in what we can do.

 

We can smash teams that come at us leaving space in the middle and allowing us to get in behind. That happened a lot during our Champions League qualifying season, but hardly anyone allows that now and I think the results reflect that.

 

 

 

Which was the Brentford game?

[Holmesy]

14 minutes ago, JEToon said:

It is in the context of how the league season is playing out 

We have the same points as Villa and Spurs for fuck sake

 

its not optimistic it’s reality, had we won today we’d have been 2 points off third 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You keep saying this ‘had we won’ stuff. Had we beaten West Ham, Palace, Fulham, City and Everton we’d be comfortably in the top 4.

 

But we didn’t, which is why we’re 10th.

 

We are currently dropping points to teams we should on-paper be beating, and we look clueless in the process. 
Saying we’re only x points off x is only relevant if the second x is realistically achievable, which it isn’t if you keep dropping points when you shouldn’t. It’s a snapshot view of a more complex, moving situation. 
The reality is that if Man City win we’ll be 7 points off third. And all of the teams above us seem far more capable than us at winning games. 

[JEToon]

5 hours ago, Holmesy said:

You keep saying this ‘had we won’ stuff. Had we beaten West Ham, Palace, Fulham, City and Everton we’d be comfortably in the top 4.

 

But we didn’t, which is why we’re 10th.

 

We are currently dropping points to teams we should on-paper be beating, and we look clueless in the process. 
Saying we’re only x points off x is only relevant if the second x is realistically achievable, which it isn’t if you keep dropping points when you shouldn’t. It’s a snapshot view of a more complex, moving situation. 
The reality is that if Man City win we’ll be 7 points off third. And all of the teams above us seem far more capable than us at winning games. 

OK  

 

we currently, even with what we have won, sit 3 points off a European place.

“10th” means fuck all without context of the league,  it’s tedious to keep saying “10th”  when Spurs and Villa are “8th” and “9th” 

The teams above us for the most part haven’t show they are “far more capable”  hence why the league is so close or they’d have left pishy old us in the dust. Instead they also drop points to teams they shouldn’t as this league is marginal as fuck across about 14 teams. 

 

its gate keeping projection pish - other teams might improve? but we just can’t possibly do that, it’s so weird to think like that, but you keep hoping for the worst. 
 

until we actually are shite can you stop pretending we are, it’s strange as fuck to do that. 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by JEToon

[toon25]

5 hours ago, Ronaldo said:

I’m not even among those saying I want him gone. I just want us to be better than 0 shots on target (again) and I think his limitations are a big reason we’re going backwards. Gutted to lose you as a follower. 

 

I'm sure you would be, since there are few others here that pay attention to the utter shite you trot out. Almost like there's nee point in rocking up at all.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by toon25

[JEToon]

See when Eddie is actually doing “shite”

 

you won’t need online assessment and polls - watching us will tell you 

we are fortunate - our match going fans are well educate and have walked a lot of shite covered hills they know what “bad” actually looks like - we aren’t there yet, the support and watching us will tell you when we are. You don’t need to project it, what will actually happen will play out without imposing it on it 

 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by JEToon

[Kanj]

It’s ok, we’ll figure it out. 

[Izakaya]

-Isak too isolated 
-Wilson still here despite a horrendous injury record 
-$15m on osula and doesn't use him 
-The whole Gordon/Barnes LW/RW thing 
-No actual decent RW at the club for 3 windows
-Bruno and Tonali still being unable to play together 
-Longstaff over Tonali 
-Bruno bang average 
-Gordon bang average 
-Tonali on the bench 
-Trippier self immolating
-Rigid 433 when it's clearly not working 
-60 Min subs on the dot

 

Reckon we sort all that out by Xmas? I don't.