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15 hours ago, TRon said:

 

By all means criticise, but then that criticism also has to be open to criticism. If it's valid it will hold up over the long term at the end of the day.

I get the criticism being open to critising but don’t criticise the criticism for the sake of criticising (my apologies, just really wanted to post that).

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44 minutes ago, Kanji said:

The unpredictability of Isak and Maximin are exactly what we need tbh. Almiron and Wilson are the two who need a rest. 

Agreed - forgot which game it was but the two of them really started to play well together and I’d like it to be given a chance for a few games.

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1 minute ago, Gawalls said:

Agreed - forgot which game it was but the two of them really started to play well together and I’d like it to be given a chance for a few games.

Southampton away in the cup, they came on and completely changed the game.

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10 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

Him not willing to use his right foot is a huge hindrance

 

It's not the reason Wilson can't score for shit, why Joelinton goes to pieces in the box along with the numerous other chances we've been missing. Chances created haven't been the issue, one foot or two feet.

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6 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

It's not the reason Wilson can't score for shit, why Joelinton goes to pieces in the box along with the numerous other chances we've been missing. Chances created haven't been the issue, one foot or two feet.

 

I don't get the notion that we're creating a boatload of chances that our attackers are missing

 

Wilson selectionis getting a lot of criticism and rightly. We're creating some chances but certainly not loads. And part of the problem is Almiron

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Changing the subject a bit, I was struck by the reports of our supporters tidying up after themselves in Trafalgar Square after the final. There may have been a bit of hype. but regardless it's uncharacteristic behaviour from a large group of fans.

 

Our 12 year old grand-daughter was going to an important audition at a stage school near Euston Square, and I was quite anxious for her, because she had witnessed a violent incident not long ago, and is still quite sensitive to aggressive, loud atmospheres. I helped her parents devise a route for her which might avoid the potential trouble areas. However, she did see loads of supporters, and actually found it all quite exhilarating and fun. Everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves in a relaxed way. Again, I don't know if that's typical.

 

But anyway, this has got me wondering today whether our manager is having an influence in some unconscious, subliminal way. He presents as well-mannered, thoughful and considerate. Is something of that rubbing off on us all?

 

Maybe it's just because of the success we're having, but it's also noticeable that since Eddie took charge, people on here are treating each other a bit more gently. 

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7 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Murphy and Willock put in more dangerous balls yesterday than Almiron has for ages

Murphy has been doing that off the bench for a few games now - I’ve been impressed with him.

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9 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

I don't get the notion that we're creating a boatload of chances that our attackers are missing

 

Wilson selectionis getting a lot of criticism and rightly. We're creating some chances but certainly not loads. And part of the problem is Almiron

That's the thing. We are creating chances, but we don't look lethal at all. We're trying to cause death by a thousand cuts, which can and has worked, but our opponents appear to have learned about blood transfusions so it's not working now.

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39 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

I don't get the notion that we're creating a boatload of chances that our attackers are missing

 

Wilson selectionis getting a lot of criticism and rightly. We're creating some chances but certainly not loads. And part of the problem is Almiron

Honestly think the narrative that our poor form is purely due to chances being missed is overblown, on here and elsewhere.

 

It's a significant factor no doubt, but truthfully our play has declined post world cup on many registers. The intensity of the press isn't there to the same extent, our attacking play is pretty pedestrian and very predictable, with the ball worked to the right for the same passing routines to be used etc. There's a major structural issue with creativity which is observable every time we face a low block team. 

 

Looking at chances missed also ignores the quality of chances, the context of those chances in terms of the progression of play etc. 

 

It's become a bit of a cop out IMO. 

 

 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

I don't get the notion that we're creating a boatload of chances that our attackers are missing

 

Wilson selectionis getting a lot of criticism and rightly. We're creating some chances but certainly not loads. And part of the problem is Almiron

Agreed, we have only really created clear cut ones against Liverpool and city as well as they have been wide open. We hardly created much in the games against the likes of Palace and Bournemouth and the games we have coming up are going to be similar to these sides.

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Disagree its overblown.  We  are having 4 or 5 good chances to score every game (bar odd few) and reason we lose is because we miss them.  Pretty simple tbh

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Agreed, we have only really created clear cut ones against Liverpool and city as well as they have been wide open. We hardly created much in the games against the likes of Palace and Bournemouth and the games we have coming up are going to be similar to these sides.

 

We had 7 shots on target and 2/3s possession at Bournemouth, West Ham was disappointing given the start we had, Palace away we had another 7 shots on target and 60% possession. That's way above average for an away team in the PL.

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Just now, Optimistic Nut said:

 

We had 7 shots on target and 2/3s possession at Bournemouth, West Ham was disappointing given the start we had, Palace away we had another 7 shots on target and 60% possession. That's way above average for an away team in the PL.

Shots on target doesn’t always mean it’s a clear chance, I don’t know the stats but I don’t remember many big chances created in the palace and Bournemouth games.

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Our system of creating chances in open play is not working as well as it did. That Miggy and Trippier combo.  That also creates chances for midfielders rather than forwards by nature. 
 

We handed out a few beatings. But we never a team to slice opposition open with incisive passes. We don’t have those players.

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1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Shots on target doesn’t always mean it’s a clear chance, I don’t know the stats but I don’t remember many big chances created in the palace and Bournemouth games.

According to FotMob, the stats for "Big Chances" over the last run of form are:

 

Palace = 2

West Ham = 3

Bournemouth = 3

Liverpool = 3

Man City = 1

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1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

We had 7 shots on target and 2/3s possession at Bournemouth, West Ham was disappointing given the start we had, Palace away we had another 7 shots on target and 60% possession. That's way above average for an away team in the PL.

 

Were any of those chances created by Almiron?

 

I'm struggling to think of any. And he missed a sitter to put us in the lead against Liverpool

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1 hour ago, Barnes23 said:

Honestly think the narrative that our poor form is purely due to chances being missed is overblown, on here and elsewhere.

 

It's a significant factor no doubt, but truthfully our play has declined post world cup on many registers. The intensity of the press isn't there to the same extent, our attacking play is pretty pedestrian and very predictable, with the ball worked to the right for the same passing routines to be used etc. There's a major structural issue with creativity which is observable every time we face a low block team. 

 

Looking at chances missed also ignores the quality of chances, the context of those chances in terms of the progression of play etc. 

 

It's become a bit of a cop out IMO. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The data says differently, but even if you break it down with the eye test:

 

Leicester 0-3 - Pressed well, controlled the game, created plenty of chances.

Newcastle 0-0 Leeds - Pressed well, controlled the game, created plenty of chances.

Arsenal 0-0 Newcastle - Deployed a mid-block to spoil the game, created limited chances.

Newcastle 1-0 Fulham - Pressed well, controlled the game, created plenty of chances.

Palace 0-0 - Newcastle - Pressed well, controlled the game, created limited chances.

Newcastle 1-1 West Ham - Disjointed press, spells of control, created enough chances to win the game.

Bournemouth 1-1 Newcastle - Disjointed press, spells of control, limited chances.

Newcastle 0-2 Liverpool - Pressed well, decent control for ten men, created chances.

Man City 2-0 Newcastle - Pressed well, spells of control, created chances.

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2 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

I don't get the notion that we're creating a boatload of chances that our attackers are missing

 

Wilson selectionis getting a lot of criticism and rightly. We're creating some chances but certainly not loads. And part of the problem is Almiron

 

We're 5th in the league for xG and 15th for xG conversion rate. It's clear as day when you watch us imo.

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3 hours ago, Barnes23 said:

Honestly think the narrative that our poor form is purely due to chances being missed is overblown, on here and elsewhere.

 

It's a significant factor no doubt, but truthfully our play has declined post world cup on many registers. The intensity of the press isn't there to the same extent, our attacking play is pretty pedestrian and very predictable, with the ball worked to the right for the same passing routines to be used etc. There's a major structural issue with creativity which is observable every time we face a low block team. 

 

Looking at chances missed also ignores the quality of chances, the context of those chances in terms of the progression of play etc. 

 

It's become a bit of a cop out IMO. 

 

 

 

 

 


I do feel like it is being used as an excuse to a point. As we have dropped off this year in a few areas. Which is understandable, for a number of reasons. 
 

However, using xG isn’t ignoring the quality of chances, is it? So based on that, we should be scoring a lot more and we were scoring a lot more from

similar quality chances, pre-WC.

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