Guest Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 I for one am stunned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Brummie, your first season in the Championship with Bruce, I worked in an around Aston probably 10 times that year and we often ended up in a local Villa fans pub once or twice on match days and the majority we come across/talked to seemed not just happy with Bruce, but thought the football was entertaining. I know you didn’t go up that year and Bruce was eventually peddled, but I know even mackems who said under Bruce the football was good in the main, did you lot actually play decent stuff under Bruce or did it just seem decent enough based on the level and the shite served up under MON? Or were people too blind to see it was shite? I think Newcastle’s football under Bruce will be more entertaining than the football played under Rafa, but in a more disorganised and obvious clueless caution to the wind type of way meaning more drubbings and more losses. I can see some of the more attacking players individually doing better under Bruce and someone like Shelvey being more important to the team. Shape, organisation, defensive solidity and being able to withstand pressure, nullify the opposition and every player off the ball coming together so the team itself performs better than the sum of its parts, however, follows Rafa out the door. Glad to see you posting Brummie and I for one am happy for you your club is back and looking very healthy indeed, on and off the pitch. I hope you have a good season ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 I for one am stunned. Was always the case when we got Jetro. Wonder how unrealistic his demands were. Feel we missed out on an exciting one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Well i for one will be delighted when N'Soko signs in two years time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Well i for one will be delighted when N'Soko signs in two years time. He’ll be at someone like Everton or Leicester as first choice by 2021. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Jetro will give us plenty of Thick as a Brick puns though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Well i for one will be delighted when N'Soko signs in two years time. He’ll be at someone like Everton or Leicester as first choice by 2021. Knowing the way we track players, if he doesn't join a big team i bet we go back in, after our next promotion season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Well i for one will be delighted when N'Soko signs in two years time. He’ll be at someone like Everton or Leicester as first choice by 2021. PSG wante to keep him far as I could tell so I think there'll be other clubs in there before then. Not necessarily from England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Argie youngun: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7317559/Newcastle-hold-talks-Inter-Milan-loan-deal-youth-striker-Facundo-Colidio.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Brummie, your first season in the Championship with Bruce, I worked in an around Aston probably 10 times that year and we often ended up in a local Villa fans pub once or twice on match days and the majority we come across/talked to seemed not just happy with Bruce, but thought the football was entertaining. I know you didn’t go up that year and Bruce was eventually peddled, but I know even mackems who said under Bruce the football was good in the main, did you lot actually play decent stuff under Bruce or did it just seem decent enough based on the level and the shite served up under MON? Or were people too blind to see it was shite? I think Newcastle’s football under Bruce will be more entertaining than the football played under Rafa, but in a more disorganised and obvious clueless caution to the wind type of way meaning more drubbings and more losses. I can see some of the more attacking players individually doing better under Bruce and someone like Shelvey being more important to the team. Shape, organisation, defensive solidity and being able to withstand pressure, nullify the opposition and every player off the ball coming together so the team itself performs better than the sum of its parts, however, follows Rafa out the door. Glad to see you posting Brummie and I for one am happy for you your club is back and looking very healthy indeed, on and off the pitch. I hope you have a good season ? Hi Thanks for the nice words In the early days, we were in the championship, we'd just emerged from a spell of - no exaggeration - 5 or 6 years of utterly horrifying bilge. Anything was an improvement. We were playing shit teams, so winning far more. For a while, the loan players he brought in started to click a little and things looked better. Bruce's problems really emerge when the team is up against it - he starts blaming all and sundry, everyone but himself - the fans, the players, pretty much anyone. He lost a lot of support when he started doing that. He also played the "some of them will never like me because I used to manage Blues" card, which is exactly what you're going to hear re Sunderland at some point. What you have to understand about him is that he doesn't really have a football ethos - he is from the MON brand of 'slap them on the back, get them pumped up and send them out there' management. That works to a certain degree, but no further. Beyond that, it really is up to the players to make things happen, because they'll get no tactical guidance from the manager. The best example of those limitations is what happened in the play off final against Fulham. The contrast between us (barely a shot on goal) and Fulham, a team set up to play in a certain, attacking style, was brutally clear. The other thing about Bruce is that he's a 'streaky' manager - he'll go on decent winning runs, then launch into a horrific run. I think that's partly because his 'gee the lads up' style tends to mean that his teams are confidence teams - when it is there, they'll do alright, when it's not, it's horrible viewing. There are worse managers out there, for sure, but he's very much one of the type where, if their team plays some nice stuff, it's mostly because they've stumbled across it themselves rather than through any way the manager has sent them out to play. Has he brought Steve Agnew with him? His arrival with us (he didn't join when Bruce did) coincided with a slight uplift in attacking menace. If he has come, that's a good sign, a positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Has he brought Steve Agnew with him? His arrival with us (he didn't join when Bruce did) coincided with a slight uplift in attacking menace. If he has come, that's a good sign, a positive. Aye, we only employ people called Steve now. Cheers for the insight. The only real hope I suppose is that one of the Steves can drill the players on tactics and formations while Bruce does whatever it is he does and it doesn't end up like it did with Carver and Pardew. Slim hope.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Has he brought Steve Agnew with him? His arrival with us (he didn't join when Bruce did) coincided with a slight uplift in attacking menace. If he has come, that's a good sign, a positive. Aye, we only employ people called Steve now. Cheers for the insight. The only real hope I suppose is that one of the Steves can drill the players on tactics and formations while Bruce does whatever it is he does and it doesn't end up like it did with Carver and Pardew. Slim hope.... There's another one, I guess Clemence has gone with him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Aye, all the steve's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Aye, all the steve's. Don't forget Steve Stone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Has he brought Steve Agnew with him? His arrival with us (he didn't join when Bruce did) coincided with a slight uplift in attacking menace. If he has come, that's a good sign, a positive. Aye, we only employ people called Steve now. Cheers for the insight. The only real hope I suppose is that one of the Steves can drill the players on tactics and formations while Bruce does whatever it is he does and it doesn't end up like it did with Carver and Pardew. Slim hope.... Sounds like the geordie version of Pardew tbh, and no surprise. You could basically work that out by wondering what style of play Bruce's teams have deployed down the years and be left scratching your head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Ok then. Translation = Been told he has to use the players he has Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Bruce needs to stop talking. Something stupid every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Bruce needs to stop talking. Something stupid every time. Guess we're fucked then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Who are the five strikers btw? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Who are the five strikers btw? Joelinton, Muto, Gayle, Sørensen and...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 ASM was listed as a Forward in the NUFC.co.uk interview. Muto, Gayle, Joelinton and he is probably including Almiron? Edit: yeah Sorensens agent said he would be first team hopefully this year. Zero focal point when Joelinton is injured/suspended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Gayle’s surely going to be loaned out, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Who are the five strikers btw? Joelinton, ASM and Almiron, Muto and Gayle, especially going by where the first 4 played today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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