Sven Botman

[kenlau88210]

Just now, Whitley mag said:

Has he been as good as been made out recently? In my opinion no, looks cumbersome and lucky to have had Thiaw alongside him.

 

He is very overrated here. Judging by the comments, you would think he is becoming the next Beckenbauer. He is composed, often able to pick a good pass, and a fairly good defender overall. But he is not the dominant CB people are hyping him to be, and he seems to have a mistake in him.   

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Has he been as good as been made out recently? In my opinion no, looks cumbersome and lucky to have had Thiaw alongside him.

I prefer DB atm at CB. 

[Rich]

He's possibly the most overrated player we've ever had on our books.

[NUFC91]

10 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Has he been as good as been made out recently? In my opinion no, looks cumbersome and lucky to have had Thiaw alongside him.

Aye he's overrated on here and by some fans, always feel if we have a bad game or defend poor it's Burns name that gets talked about 

 

Schar better than botman for me...

[Yorkie]

Oh not this bloody "after we've lost" trope again. He's been absolutely brilliant this season, barely put a foot wrong. 

[Optimistic Nut]

6 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

Aye he's overrated on here and by some fans, always feel if we have a bad game or defend poor it's Burns name that gets talked about 

 

Schar better than botman for me...

 

Burn ironically not even in the same postcode as Wan Bissaka for the Botman og. He's having to come across because Burn is in no man's land. He's having to do this repeatedly as long as Burn is LB. Hall in, Burn out, for me. 

 

 

Edited November 2, 2025 by Optimistic Nut

[Menace]

He made a mistake in a shit team performance. He's the least of our issues.

[NUFC91]

5 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Burn ironically not even in the same postcode as Wan Bissaka for the Botman og. 

Burn and Gordon both no good for goal I agree but my point is that defensively we look better with schar at centre half...

 

 

Edited November 2, 2025 by NUFC91

[duo]

6 minutes ago, Rich said:

He's possibly the most overrated player we've ever had on our books.

Oooo harsh - he's class just had a bad game along with everyone else.

[Amir_9]

6 minutes ago, Rich said:

He's possibly the most overrated player we've ever had on our books.

 

Other than a seriously good patch of form a few seasons ago, I don't think he's really more than a top 7 defender on his best day.

[Fak]

Just now, duo said:

Oooo harsh - he's class just had a bad game along with everyone else.

 

I thought he was being sarcastic tbh. 

[Myleftboot]

I’m not nit picking but it’s a bugbear of mine when you see a player after a defeat laughing with an opposition player after the game.

[Andy]

20 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

Burn ironically not even in the same postcode as Wan Bissaka for the Botman og. He's having to come across because Burn is in no man's land. He's having to do this repeatedly as long as Burn is LB. Hall in, Burn out, for me. 

 

 

 

 

Our entire system is struggling due to Burn being at LB as it did a couple of years back before Tino slotted in there. Either the entire defensive line drops back to accommodate for his lack of pace, or Botman has to keep coming across to cover for him. 

 

People will take this as criticism of Burn as they did back then, but it's not, it's just damning on the recruitment that our only other backup left back is our first choice right back. 

[Yorkie]

2 hours ago, Andy said:

People will take this as criticism of Burn as they did back then, but it's not, it's just damning on the recruitment that our only other backup left back is our first choice right back

 

Hate digging up summer conversations but this is just such unfair criticism. We had so much to do this summer, with far, far greater priorities than making sure our third choice LB was better than Dan Burn, and was someone happy to sign on the basis they were unlikely to get a kick (note we couldn't even hang onto Targett). It's just rough luck that Tino and Hall got injured at the same time and, despite what you read, Burn generally isn't terrible there. He was absolutely exceptional in midweek for starters.

[The Prophet]

Him and Thiaw have been great this season, the absolute least of our problems.

[Smal]

we can't really claim Livramento is the second choice left back when he's the first choice right back tbh. In the same manner, Burn is arguably the first choice centre back for Howe too, so we don't actually have any back up or rotation for left back in the squad really. It's not great. 

[Fak]

1 minute ago, Smal said:

we can't really claim Livramento is the second choice left back when he's the first choice right back tbh. In the same manner, Burn is arguably the first choice centre back for Howe too, so we don't actually have any back up or rotation for left back in the squad really. It's not great. 

 

But he is our second choice left back? And then Trippier fits in at RB. 

[Yorkie]

2 minutes ago, Smal said:

we can't really claim Livramento is the second choice left back when he's the first choice right back tbh. In the same manner, Burn is arguably the first choice centre back for Howe too, so we don't actually have any back up or rotation for left back in the squad really. It's not great. 

 

It's not ideal, but it's also not that bad, and slagging off the recruitment team for not addressing that pretty narrow issue given everything else we had to deal with (and in the context) is very OTT.

[Smal]

1 minute ago, Fak said:

 

But he is our second choice left back? And then Trippier fits in at RB. 

 

I know what you mean but in that scenario Tino (and 35 y/o Trippier in reality, though you can use Krafth in an emergency) has to play every minute of every game in a season where we play two matches a week. That will mean he gets injured for long periods because it is inevitable for anyone whose style of play involves running fast and a lot. 

[Smal]

10 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

It's not ideal, but it's also not that bad, and slagging off the recruitment team for not addressing that pretty narrow issue given everything else we had to deal with (and in the context) is very OTT.

 

I think a versatile full back who can play both sides is essential in January. They don't even have to be that good or the perfect age profile because they won't play that much and we don't want to spend the earth on it. I can't say anyone immediately springs to mind but that is what scouting departments are for I suppose. 

[Andy]

25 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Hate digging up summer conversations but this is just such unfair criticism. We had so much to do this summer, with far, far greater priorities than making sure our third choice LB was better than Dan Burn, and was someone happy to sign on the basis they were unlikely to get a kick (note we couldn't even hang onto Targett). It's just rough luck that Tino and Hall got injured at the same time and, despite what you read, Burn generally isn't terrible there. He was absolutely exceptional in midweek for starters.

 

We only had so much to do in the summer because we left ourselves with so much to do in the summer to be fair, there's only the Isak situation that came as a surprise, surely we've all seen full back cover as a priority position alongside right wing and replacing Wilson ever since last time Burn was starting there (when our form was awful too)? 

 

He's going to have the odd good game there, and I'm not sure a passive and poor Spurs team is an adequate game to judge off anyway, but the issue is the wider impact on the team that him being in that position has. Yeah he'll win the odd hero challenge and sometimes mark his man out the game entirely, but we lose so much going the other way and our defensive line frequently ends up 10 yards deeper than it needs to be. This was the same issue two years ago and was only solved when Tino went to LB due to Botman being injured. 

 

Again, not a criticism of Burn, but our first choice right back shouldn't be our only cover at left back that isn't a 6 foot 6 centre half if we want to compete on all fronts. I genuinely can't imagine any other team in the top half of the league (and beyond to be honest) playing a player of Dan Burn's profile at left back purely because one right back and one left back was injured. 

[The Prophet]

I don't think there were many folk going into the summer with full back high on the priority list like.

[Kid Icarus]

3 hours ago, Andy said:

People will take this as criticism of Burn as they did back then, but it's not, it's just damning on the recruitment that our only other backup left back is our first choice right back. 

 

Right up until Tino got injured this was seen as a good thing. I still think it is personally, it's just been very specifically unlucky for us that we've lost 2 extremely good left backs.

[Andy]

6 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I don't think there were many folk going into the summer with full back high on the priority list like.

 

 I tend not to read opinions to closely on here during the close season, just going off my own thoughts and people I work with generally. But for me, I felt Targett should leave, and once we let Targett leave, I assumed he'd be replaced with a younger talent. 

 

Burn at left back was a failed experiment two years ago. He can't be your only backup who isn't meant to be starting on the other flank, I had this conversation to death on here two years ago so it's not like I'm suddenly piling on him or our recruitment team today. 

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, Andy said:

 

 I tend not to read opinions to closely on here during the close season, just going off my own thoughts and people I work with generally. But for me, I felt Targett should leave, and once we let Targett leave, I assumed he'd be replaced with a younger talent. 

 

Burn at left back was a failed experiment two years ago. He can't be your only backup who isn't meant to be starting on the other flank, I had this conversation to death on here two years ago so it's not like I'm suddenly piling on him or our recruitment team today. 

 

Fair, you'd imagine that, GK, CM and possibly LW will be looked at next.