Bruno Guimarães

[TheBrownBottle]

10 hours ago, Rafalove said:

Has to be one of our best cm’s ever? Definitely in our top three, but I’m not sure exactly where he’d rank against Lee and Speed. Definitely above both Cabaye and Merino for me though.

 

 

Suppose many would put Gazza as number one but I was born in 1990 so never saw him play for us.

 

 

 

Cabaye’s above Speed for me, comfortably so. 

[Ronaldo]

13 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Cabaye’s above Speed for me, comfortably so. 

Speed at Sheff United yes. Not Speed at Newcastle.

[Kid Icarus]

10 hours ago, Rafalove said:

Has to be one of our best cm’s ever? Definitely in our top three, but I’m not sure exactly where he’d rank against Lee and Speed. Definitely above both Cabaye and Merino for me though.

 

 

Suppose many would put Gazza as number one but I was born in 1990 so never saw him play for us.

 

 

 

 

It's between Bruno and Lee basically. Lee has longevity and a brilliant 1994 over Bruno at the moment, but in terms of who's the better footballer it's already Bruno I think. 

 

Speed's not in the conversation for me and Cabaye is definitely not.

[Rafalove]

20 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Cabaye’s above Speed for me, comfortably so. 

 

Disagree. For me Cabaye is comfortably the worst on that list.

[TheBrownBottle]

6 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

Speed at Sheff United yes. Not Speed at Newcastle.

Watched Speed week-in, week-out.  No rose-tinted spectacles for me - he was awful for the first couple of seasons, then a good, solid PL midfielder until he left.  Was never worth what we paid for him.  Excellent pro, not doubts about that.  

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, Rafalove said:

 

Disagree. For me Cabaye is comfortably the worst on that list.

As a footballer?  No chance.  

[Kid Icarus]

I'd have Batty over Cabaye tbh. One was stupidly underrated and the other stupidly overrated 

[madras]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Watched Speed week-in, week-out.  No rose-tinted spectacles for me - he was awful for the first couple of seasons, then a good, solid PL midfielder until he left.  Was never worth what we paid for him.  Excellent pro, not doubts about that.  

When he came we tried to play him wide which he then wasn't suited to. As soon as he came inside he was very good and was worth every penny we paid for him.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

I'd have Batty over Cabaye tbh. One was stupidly underrated and the other stupidly overrated 

David F Batty would be above Speed and Cabaye for me.  Batty was an excellent footballer - only started to become what we feared in late-stage Dalglish era NUFC. 

[Rafalove]

Cabaye had great passing, and was strong defensively but I feel like because if his lack of press resistance he struggled to control games.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, madras said:

When he came we tried to play him wide which he then wasn't suited to. As soon as he came inside he was very good and was worth every penny we paid for him.

He was definitely better once moved to the middle for us, but he wasn’t played out of position on the left of midfield.  He’d played there every week for Leeds, and a lot of the time for Everton.

 

£5.5m in Jan 1998 was a shitload of money for a midfielder 

[madras]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

He was definitely better once moved to the middle for us, but he wasn’t played out of position on the left of midfield.  He’d played there every week for Leeds, and a lot of the time for Everton.

 

£5.5m in Jan 1998 was a shitload of money for a midfielder 

He been playing centrally for Everton for a while and although when at Leeds he'd played wide he really wasn't a winger of the type we tried to make him play.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, madras said:

He been playing centrally for Everton for a while and although when at Leeds he'd played wide he really wasn't a winger of the type we tried to make him play.

Yeah, more a ‘left midfield’ than a winger (Dalglish playing him as if he were Ginola’s replacement hardly helped).

 

My memory on some things are fuzzy - wasn’t Speed a British record transfer paid for a midfielder at that time?  Allowing for Gazza’s sale to Lazio and Paul Ince’s to Inter being sales rather than fees paid.  It was a big sum of cash.  

[Ronson333]

12 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I'd have Batty over Cabaye tbh. One was stupidly underrated and the other stupidly overrated 

Batty was absolute class, I remember when we signed him I thought why are we buying this limited clogger. Turns out he had much more footballing ability than I imagined.

[Ronaldo]

19 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Watched Speed week-in, week-out.  No rose-tinted spectacles for me - he was awful for the first couple of seasons, then a good, solid PL midfielder until he left.  Was never worth what we paid for him.  Excellent pro, not doubts about that.  

He was brilliant in his second season. You’ve got this wrong. He absolutely ran the show for us in midfield for 5 years. 

[AJ9]

Speed was class for a good few seasons. Bruno is head and shoulders above him as a player though.

[GideonShandy]

30 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I'd have Batty over Cabaye tbh. One was stupidly underrated and the other stupidly overrated 

So . . . Batts for ye, like?

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, Ronaldo said:

He was brilliant in his second season. You’ve got this wrong. He absolutely ran the show for us in midfield for 5 years. 

98/99?  Nah, no chance.  He wasn’t much cop for me.  Just my view, as you have yours.  Never looked any good at all under Gullit

[Guest]

Second half of the 98/99 season I always thought the Speed/Hamann partnership was excellent.

[Sima]

Is it one or two games if he picks up another yellow?

[Abacus]

4 minutes ago, Sima said:

Is it one or two games if he picks up another yellow?

 

I'm pretty sure it's 2.

[Lush Vlad]

2 game ban if he gets another yellow. Not sure if the FA Cup counts. As I don’t think the League cup does for yellows.
 

He has 8 more league games to get through without a ticket. 

[NEEJ]

What's his longest run without getting a yellow?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

2 game ban if he gets another yellow. Not sure if the FA Cup counts. As I don’t think the League cup does for yellows.
 

He has 8 more league games to get through without a ticket. 

 

If he can last as long as possible on the 9 until Willock and Anderson are back it'd be handy like. I know it's still a massive loss but the thought of just Miley and Longstaff as available CMs is scary.

[STM]

Bruno is a much better technical player than what Speed was.... but is that what football is all about now? There's more to the game than that.

 

I do think Bruno is the better player but let's put a bit of respect to Speeds name. This current NUFC side would benefit from having him in our midfield. We certainly wouldn't be so soft and open.

 

Speed was also excellent technically, used to take the odd free kick and penalty (scored one against Newcastle for Everton) but he was much more than that. He was an absolute leader in the middle and about one of best players you could have in your dressing room.

 

Remember when he came back for Shearers testimonial, a Bolton player at the time, was like 34 but still better than any of our CMs at the time. A real class act. Fondly, fondly remembered.