Bruno Guimarães

[Kanj]

6 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I feel like he's always been our most creative player, it just didn't show as much because he was deeper, and even then he still managed it a lot of times.

 

Almiron's purple patch was largely due to the understanding he developed with Bruno, who always spotted his runs in behind, even from that deeper spot.

 

I think we're going to be blown away by how much more creative he'll be further forward.

 

When he first came in from Lyon and all his highlights were doing the rounds, the first thing that stood out were the ridiculous through balls he played to forward players.

 

It's just much easier for us to attack when that ball is coming from Bruno to Isak who's running forward and into space. Bruno played Isak for his goal. Played the ball to Isak for Gordon's goal. Played the ball to Isak for no-foul in the box. All into space, all quick and decisive. 

[KaKa]

13 minutes ago, Kanj said:

 

It's just much easier for us to attack when that ball is coming from Bruno to Isak who's running forward and into space. Bruno played Isak for his goal. Played the ball to Isak for Gordon's goal. Played the ball to Isak for no-foul in the box. All into space, all quick and decisive. 

 

Yeah, exactly.

 

I'm really looking forward to it.

 

It's an unbelievable ability he has that we haven't fully capitalised on yet.

 

As your examples show, him being in that position was instrumental to our performance yesterday.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

There was several moments where Bruno got the ball deeper and Tonali was right behind Isak as well. They both interchanged really well. 

[Myleftboot]

2 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

There was several moments where Bruno got the ball deeper and Tonali was right behind Isak as well. They both interchanged really well. 

So were they not doing a double pivot?

[80]

4 hours ago, KaKa said:

 

I feel like he's always been our most creative player, it just didn't show as much because he was deeper, and even then he still managed it a lot of times.

 

Almiron's purple patch was largely due to the understanding he developed with Bruno, who always spotted his runs in behind, even from that deeper spot.

 

I think we're going to be blown away by how much more creative he'll be further forward.

 

When he first came in from Lyon and all his highlights were doing the rounds, the first thing that stood out were the ridiculous through balls he played to forward players.

It's honestly a bit odd to me that people seem to be seeing it as a new thing. It's as though people have been conditioned into thinking he's just a ball spraying quarterback, but he was dynamite in his earlier days for us in more offensive areas. It wasn't that long ago, either.

[sempuki]

Linked with a move to Citeh in January by a few dodgy websites.

[lovejoy]

10 minutes ago, sempuki said:

Linked with a move to Citeh in January by a few dodgy websites.

 Craig Hope has linked him as well.

 

Reckons they’d send Nunes the other way.

[r0cafella]

7 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

 Craig Hope has linked him as well.

 

Reckons they’d send Nunes the other way.

Wouldn't want to let him go in January nor would I want Nunes personally 

[Groundhog63]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Wouldn't want to let him go in January nor would I want Nunes personally 

 

I totally understand the narrative that it's good practice to sell players "at their peak". Totally understand our predicament within the confines of PSR and the possibility a "star" needs to go BUT this lad isn't the one. Obviously if he wants to go that's a completely different matter.

 

At a risk of going over the top, I'm loyal to our players. Always have been. Said before that picking my top team in the 70's had far too many of our players in. Thing is, football is fucked. Ruined by greed and corrupt af. Ashley did me in. I stopped going. Didn't stop watching but with reduced interest/emotional post match effect. I'm also a bit sad, for football, that the only way we could have any chance to compete was to lure owners that were no better, if not way worse, that those already corrupting the beautiful game. 

 

Having an NUFC that's giving us something to cheer again is magnificent, despite my cynicism and misgivings. Bruno, however, is such a shining light in all that grime. He warms the very cockles of my heart with his antics. Kissing Antony on the forehead, giving Barnes that big cuddle, that heart beating away on his sleeve constantly. He appears to absolutely love being here, being Captain. We need to keep him, keep him happy, get up that fucking table and make the lad a legend on a par with Milburn, Supermac, Keegan and Shearer. 

 

 

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Fans’ heads have been fucked with due to PSR. Anyone who actually wants to sell Bruno or Isak is misguided IMO.

 

Brighton are a club of loads of players at the same level, numbers on a spreadsheet, interchangeable with the next guy who comes along to replace them. I can’t speak for them, but I’d be surprised if their fans are always talking about out how much Carlos Baleba loves the club. 
 

Of course we need to manage our finances better and avoid desperation situations like this summer. But I really don’t want a ‘sell your best players’ strategy. 
 

I’m naive/optimistic in general obviously, but I really hope we can avoid becoming  a soulless player import/export business.  

 

 

Edited December 6 by AyeDubbleYoo

[AyeDubbleYoo]

37 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

 Craig Hope has linked him as well.

 

Reckons they’d send Nunes the other way.

I stopped reading at Craig Hope. 

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

I totally understand the narrative that it's good practice to sell players "at their peak". Totally understand our predicament within the confines of PSR and the possibility a "star" needs to go BUT this lad isn't the one. Obviously if he wants to go that's a completely different matter.

 

At a risk of going over the top, I'm loyal to our players. Always have been. Said before that picking my top team in the 70's had far too many of our players in. Thing is, football is fucked. Ruined by greed and corrupt af. Ashley did me in. I stopped going. Didn't stop watching but with reduced interest/emotional post match effect. I'm also a bit sad, for football, that the only way we could have any chance to compete was to lure owners that were no better, if not way worse, that those already corrupting the beautiful game. 

 

Having an NUFC that's giving us something to cheer again is magnificent, despite my cynicism and misgivings. Bruno, however, is such a shining light in all that grime. He warms the very cockles of my heart with his antics. Kissing Antony on the forehead, giving Barnes that big cuddle, that heart beating away on his sleeve constantly. He appears to absolutely love being here, being Captain. We need to keep him, keep him happy, get up that fucking table and make the lad a legend on a par with Milburn, Supermac, Keegan and Shearer. 

 

 

 

 

 

We could do all of that if we were actually allowed to spend our money. If we aren't and are consistently spending less than the cartel clubs then eventually the best players will leave. We have to find some way of increasing our revenues sooner rather than later.

[SUPERTOON]

1 hour ago, lovejoy said:

 Craig Hope has linked him as well.

 

Reckons they’d send Nunes the other way.

They can keep Nunes.

[WilliamPS]

Bruno will be on the shortlist for every top tier club looking for a midfielder, as he’s elite level and not already at a club challenging for the CL. Just the way it is 

 

I wouldn’t want to sell at all, but certainly not in January as v hard to see any replacement coming in at the right level. Anyone who wants to cash in needs to reflect on whether they think the clubs recruitment processes are where they need to be yet to get quality in, Brighton it ain’t 

[HawK]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Fans’ heads have been fucked with due to PSR. Anyone who actually wants to sell Bruno or Isak is misguided IMO.

 

Brighton are a club of loads of players at the same level, numbers on a spreadsheet, interchangeable with the next guy who comes along to replace them. I can’t speak for them, but I’d be surprised if their fans are always talking about out how much Carlos Baleba loves the club. 
 

Of course we need to manage our finances better and avoid desperation situations like this summer. But I really don’t want a ‘sell your best players’ strategy. 
 

I’m naive/optimistic in general obviously, but I really hope we can avoid becoming  a soulless player import/export business.  

 

 

 

 

It's the only way a club can increase its competitiveness against more established clubs in the current financial ruleset.

 

It's not an exact science and it's not a guarantee, but buy a player low and sell high, and use that money to buy 2 more potential players, is the only way to bridge the gap financially.

 

If we also show that we're willing to allow players to move on to 'bigger clubs' (in the mind of the player), players will be more likely to join us, knowing that they can use us as a platform or a stepping stone and not be restricted from moving on.

 

It's a completely dispassionate and pragmatic approach, and I also agree with the romanticism of talisman-esque players from yesteryear, but things are different now, definitely for the worse, but we as a club have to adapt to keep up. We have the luxury of at least having owners that will seemingly allow us to spend to the absolute limit, lots of other clubs don't have that, so we're in the best position to make this work.

 

Back to Isak, the lad is great. We haven't had a forward like him since Cole. But if we were to sell him, there's a potential we can buy a few more Halls, Livramentos etc. Not all will come good, but that's the game now. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

But we’re challenging for top 4-6 now, where will we be when we sell star players for more prospects? 

[TRon]

23 minutes ago, HawK said:

 

It's the only way a club can increase its competitiveness against more established clubs in the current financial ruleset.

 

It's not an exact science and it's not a guarantee, but buy a player low and sell high, and use that money to buy 2 more potential players, is the only way to bridge the gap financially.

 

If we also show that we're willing to allow players to move on to 'bigger clubs' (in the mind of the player), players will be more likely to join us, knowing that they can use us as a platform or a stepping stone and not be restricted from moving on.

 

It's a completely dispassionate and pragmatic approach, and I also agree with the romanticism of talisman-esque players from yesteryear, but things are different now, definitely for the worse, but we as a club have to adapt to keep up. We have the luxury of at least having owners that will seemingly allow us to spend to the absolute limit, lots of other clubs don't have that, so we're in the best position to make this work.

 

Back to Isak, the lad is great. We haven't had a forward like him since Cole. But if we were to sell him, there's a potential we can buy a few more Halls, Livramentos etc. Not all will come good, but that's the game now. 

 

It's not what we want to read, but it is the bitter reality.

[TRon]

14 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

But we’re challenging for top 4-6 now, where will we be when we sell star players for more prospects? 

 

As long as we get top 4-6 it won't be an issue. It's when we don't qualify for Europe that players heads start to turn. My gut feeling is that the likes of Isak will want CL football, Bruno would probably be ok with Europa or Conference league qualification.

 

It's a big ask considering we can't spend as much as 6 other clubs and year on year the system is rigged so they can pull further ahead.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 hours ago, TRon said:

 

As long as we get top 4-6 it won't be an issue. It's when we don't qualify for Europe that players heads start to turn. My gut feeling is that the likes of Isak will want CL football, Bruno would probably be ok with Europa or Conference league qualification.

 

It's a big ask considering we can't spend as much as 6 other clubs and year on year the system is rigged so they can pull further ahead.

 

Players wanting to leave is fair enough, I was more talking about actively planning to sell our stars to buy more prospects. 

[Kanj]

X star player has a great game - press or N-O assume they will go or respond to a dodgy link on X and then cue people ushering them out the door. 

[TBG]

It's alright, we've got Brentford away next. 

 

Average to poor showing there and Isak, Howe, Bruno, Pope, Tonali & Barnes (depending on whether we want a squad or not) are first out the door.

[HawK]

6 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Players wanting to leave is fair enough, I was more talking about actively planning to sell our stars to buy more prospects. 

 

I think it's the only sensible thing to do, I would really hope that we have the structure in place now to have ready-made targets in place with pre-scouting done on potentials if any of our top players leave for whatever reason.

 

I mean, I don't think you're suggesting we shouldn't have some options ready if there is a club that actually does stump up 120m for him ?

[TheBrownBottle]

9 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

But we’re challenging for top 4-6 now, where will we be when we sell star players for more prospects? 

And we’re trying to compete with clubs whose incomes are 2-3x ours; whereas our income is a fraction ahead of Villa and West Ham.

 

To have any chance of catching up, we need to sell players for big profits and replace them effectively.  This is how we have a top six instead of a top five - Spurs spent a decade selling their best players for megabucks and replacing them very effectively.  I’m sure no Spurs fan wanted to sell Berbatov, Bale or Modric. 
 

There isn’t a player at NUFC who anyone should think is here for the long-term, unless the rules suddenly change overnight - which they won’t.  This isn’t PSR messing with fans’ heads - this is the reality of the situation.  If anything, we need to become better sellers - Bruno’s value likely already peaked. 

[HawK]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

And we’re trying to compete with clubs whose incomes are 2-3x ours; whereas our income is a fraction ahead of Villa and West Ham.

 

To have any chance of catching up, we need to sell players for big profits and replace them effectively.  This is how we have a top six instead of a top five - Spurs spent a decade selling their best players for megabucks and replacing them very effectively.  I’m sure no Spurs fan wanted to sell Berbatov, Bale or Modric. 
 

There isn’t a player at NUFC who anyone should think is here for the long-term, unless the rules suddenly change overnight - which they won’t.  This isn’t PSR messing with fans’ heads - this is the reality of the situation.  If anything, we need to become better sellers - Bruno’s value likely already peaked. 

 

Agreed - to qualify your Spurs point further, I think Spurs fans were somewhat placated though that when the players did go, they really went to the best clubs around - Real Madrid, Utd (at the time). I don't think any of us could begrudge a sale of Isak to Barcelona or Bruno to City, it's just gotta be for the mega bucks we'd hope for. It's the thought of snipey-profits of selling Isak on for 80m to a club like Arsenal which are simple not top-tier that I think a lot of fans would be upset at (which hasn't even happened).

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, HawK said:

 

Agreed - to qualify your Spurs point further, I think Spurs fans were somewhat placated though that when the players did go, they really went to the best clubs around - Real Madrid, Utd (at the time). I don't think any of us could begrudge a sale of Isak to Barcelona or Bruno to City, it's just gotta be for the mega bucks we'd hope for. It's the thought of snipey-profits of selling Isak on for 80m to a club like Arsenal which are simple not top-tier that I think a lot of fans would be upset at (which hasn't even happened).

True - though ultimately money is money.  I’m not sure all of the NUFC support is aware of just how far behind we are in economic terms - and that the gap has widened since the takeover.  Most NUFC fans likely view Spurs as the club we’d be looking to overtake.  At present, Gateshead FC’s turnover is closer to ours than ours is to Spurs.  The gap is absolutely massive - and gradual, incremental growth is never, ever going to close the gap.  If the owners won’t bend the rules, won’t slap sponsorships all over the shop, and are going to take a lifetime to build a new ground, then the only option is to sell for big profits to close the gap.