Paully Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Mr Newcastle will not go to any other English club - he might go abroad but not a chance he goes to a Premier League team! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 23 minutes ago, Eveready said: I'm not sure 'biggest' in terms of historical significance from when Ferguson retired almost 15 years ago is that relevant though. If we're looking at the calibre of players that Arsenal and Man City have brought in over the past few years then they look like a significantly more attractive destination than Man Utd in the current landscape. A potential move for either Bruno would be more down to the potential to win top tier trophies (Premier League or Champions League) in the latter years of his career, where Arsenal or Man City are far better placed to do so in the near future than Man Utd. Bearing in mind Bruno G will be pushing 29 by the time next season starts I'm not sure that timeframe is a sure enough bet. The Man City rivalry is a much more recent development, which is why I didn't include Liverpool in the list. Although I understand it's much more of a one-way street, a lot of Newcastle fans would consider Man Utd their least liked club in the league after Sunderland due to the rivalry in the 90s, similar to how I'd imagine Man Utd fans would consider Man City their 2nd most hated club after Liverpool. Bruno has spoken many times about how he wants to be seen as a club legend at Newcastle and a move to Man Utd would significantly damage that relationship with our fans, similar to how you would see Fernandes moving to Man City as quite a betrayal. I don't think many Newcastle fans would begrudge Bruno moving to another European club, even say a club the size of Atletico. It's more around how he's spoken about the club, the fans, the area, his legacy and how important they are to him - moving to Man Utd would be a pretty tone-deaf move after all that. I think all of that is fair enough to be honest. I absolutely adore Bruno Fernandes but not sure I'd recover from seeing him in a City shirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Paully said: Mr Newcastle will not go to any other English club - he might go abroad but not a chance he goes to a Premier League team! Nuff said! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earp Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, Paully said: Mr Newcastle will not go to any other English club - he might go abroad but not a chance he goes to a Premier League team! Good enough for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) Absolute fantasy to suggest Man U are still the biggest club in England to current players. Bruno G was 16 the last time they won a PL title - City, Liverpool, even Arsenal can offer comparable wages with significantly higher chance of trophies. The only reason Bruno would fancy jumping ship to Man U is to double or treble his wages. Same reason Fernandes would never be poached by a sideways move - far easier to stay loyal when you're already creaming in £300k a week. PSR is so fucking insidious it puts a price on Bruno's loyalty to our club - want to stay and cement your legacy? You'll have to turn down a 100k pay rise from Manure. Sickening really. If Fernandes was on £180k a week with an enforced wage cap I'm sure his head could be turned pretty sharp. @Froggy If the PSR limits were reversed and Fernandes was on £180k at your lot, do you think he would entertain a move to us if we offered him £300k? I think we all know the answer. Edited March 20 by BoSelecta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I'm sure there was someone on here who had a connection to Bruno, indirect iirc, and they had said right at the beginning of the season (or maybe the end of last) that Bruno G would move on after this year. I think I remember PSG being mentioned. He's a fantastic personality and an absolute baller. We're a club that currently doesn't prioritise ballers over runners, quite the opposite so I have presumed he will want to move on and I will miss him enormously but won't begrudge it. With his talents he does deserve to be in a team up the sharp end of things that are competing for serious trophies year in, year out. C'est la vie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 25 minutes ago, BoSelecta said: Absolute fantasy to suggest Man U are still the biggest club in England to current players. Bruno G was 16 the last time they won a PL title - City, Liverpool, even Arsenal can offer comparable wages with significantly higher chance of trophies. The only reason Bruno would fancy jumping ship to Man U is to double or treble his wages. Same reason Fernandes would never be poached by a sideways move - far easier to stay loyal when you're already creaming in £300k a week. PSR is so fucking insidious it puts a price on Bruno's loyalty to our club - want to stay and cement your legacy? You'll have to turn down a 100k pay rise from Manure. Sickening really. If Fernandes was on £180k a week with an enforced wage cap I'm sure his head could be turned pretty sharp. @Froggy If the PSR limits were reversed and Fernandes was on £180k at your lot, do you think he would entertain a move to us if we offered him £300k? I think we all know the answer. Hasn't our summer window shown to you that we still have massive pull? Arsenal were a team who wanted Sesko and Mbeumo as well remember and can offer the same wages we can, not that either of them are on anything extravagant. Worth noting Fernandes was performing to an insane level for four years before getting that current contact. £300k is a bargain by the way. He's the best player in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Arsenal refused to pay what Leipzig wanted for Sesko and were looking at Mbeumo as a squad player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 31 minutes ago, Froggy said: Worth noting Fernandes was performing to an insane level for four years before getting that current contact. £300k is a bargain by the way. He's the best player in the league. Oh no, he isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Laughable hubris to think either player would have turned down equal wages at Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I don’t particularly care about Man U. It would be like caring about McDonalds or Primark. My problem would be us getting picked apart by our competition when we should have the resources to beat them. This situation is only a problem because of the financial rules. It would be a demonstration of the argument that football has been killed as a competitive sport. Why watch a sport that is going to be dominated by the same small group for the rest of our lives? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 31 minutes ago, BoSelecta said: Laughable hubris to think either player would have turned down equal wages at Arsenal. Can only go by what is reported. Heaps of teams in for Cunha, Mbeumo and Sesko and they're at us with their wages around the £150/160k mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Kimbo said: I don’t particularly care about Man U. It would be like caring about McDonalds or Primark. My problem would be us getting picked apart by our competition when we should have the resources to beat them. This situation is only a problem because of the financial rules. It would be a demonstration of the argument that football has been killed as a competitive sport. Why watch a sport that is going to be dominated by the same small group for the rest of our lives? What's hilarious is the notion that FFP is ruining football yet spunking a Sheikhs oil money to turn middling clubs into machines is perfectly fine and wouldn't ruin football at all. Everyone on here hated what happened with City and Chelsea and called it soulless. Now that's what you want. Without the regulations every club would be owned by folks from the middle east and the ones that weren't would be clubs bought in leveraged buyouts to be cash cows for American bankers. You compare us to Primark and McDonald's, and act as if PIF using you as a plaything wouldn't rip the heart and soul out of your club. Had you spent billions since the takeover and signed players on £500k a week, a League Cup would have meant fuck all, yet for a lot of you it was one of the best days of your lives. Edited March 20 by Froggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 ...please ... no more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 hour ago, KaKa said: Arsenal refused to pay what Leipzig wanted for Sesko and were looking at Mbeumo as a squad player. OK Mikel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 11 minutes ago, thomas said: ...please ... no more. Be quite good to read the supporters of Newcastle discuss a Newcastle player on a Newcastle forum, can’t we just get the Man Utd fan his own thread to play in? (When he’s not burning us viciously of course.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Hovagod said: Be quite good to read the supporters of Newcastle discuss a Newcastle player on a Newcastle forum, can’t we just get the Man Utd fan his own thread to play in? (When he’s not burning us viciously of course.) To be fair, the discussion was about this particular player being linked with my club. It's just deviated from that for various reasons. I'm happy to not engage anymore as I'm aware I have the tendency to get carried away when people start criticising my club. Edited March 20 by Froggy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Froggy said: What's hilarious is the notion that FFP is ruining football yet spunking a Sheikhs oil money to turn middling clubs into machines is perfectly fine and wouldn't ruin football at all. Everyone on here hated what happened with City and Chelsea and called it soulless. Now that's what you want. Without the regulations every club would be owned by folks from the middle east and the ones that weren't would be clubs bought in leveraged buyouts to be cash cows for American bankers. You compare us to Primark and McDonald's, and act as if PIF using you as a plaything wouldn't rip the heart and soul out of your club. Had you spent billions since the takeover and signed players on £500k a week, a League Cup would have meant fuck all, yet for a lot of you it was one of the best days of your lives. For footballs entire history clubs have gone from also rans to competing for trophies through investors. How does a club do that now, or in 10 years, or in 20 years. It’s not possible with the current rules. Without the ability for clubs to progress to the top, the sport is a zombie. I understand people don’t like oligarchs etc. Fine, let’s level the playing field so that we’re all operating with a similar budget. I’m sure that will be agreeable. Edited March 20 by Kimbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 25 minutes ago, Froggy said: What's hilarious is the notion that FFP is ruining football yet spunking a Sheikhs oil money to turn middling clubs into machines is perfectly fine and wouldn't ruin football at all. Everyone on here hated what happened with City and Chelsea and called it soulless. Now that's what you want. Without the regulations every club would be owned by folks from the middle east and the ones that weren't would be clubs bought in leveraged buyouts to be cash cows for American bankers. You compare us to Primark and McDonald's, and act as if PIF using you as a plaything wouldn't rip the heart and soul out of your club. Had you spent billions since the takeover and signed players on £500k a week, a League Cup would have meant fuck all, yet for a lot of you it was one of the best days of your lives. Piss weak straw man argument, few people are arguing we should be able to spend 10x any other club. We’re just arguing for parity, set a cap and make it equal across the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 10 minutes ago, Froggy said: To be fair, the discussion was about this particular player being linked with my club. It's just deviated from that for various reasons. I'm happy to not engage anymore as I'm aware I have the tendency to get carried away when people start criticising my club. fwiw my plea was to all involved and not just you, in case it might have seemed that way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poon Raccoon Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 32 minutes ago, Froggy said: What's hilarious is the notion that FFP is ruining football yet spunking a Sheikhs oil money to turn middling clubs into machines is perfectly fine and wouldn't ruin football at all. Everyone on here hated what happened with City and Chelsea and called it soulless. Now that's what you want. Without the regulations every club would be owned by folks from the middle east and the ones that weren't would be clubs bought in leveraged buyouts to be cash cows for American bankers. You compare us to Primark and McDonald's, and act as if PIF using you as a plaything wouldn't rip the heart and soul out of your club. Had you spent billions since the takeover and signed players on £500k a week, a League Cup would have meant fuck all, yet for a lot of you it was one of the best days of your lives. Haven’t Man U been sponsored and had dealings with the Saudis since 2008 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 1 minute ago, Poon Raccoon said: Haven’t Man U been sponsored and had dealings with the Saudis since 2008 ? Please don't think I'm using us a shining example of how things should be done. 4 minutes ago, thomas said: fwiw my plea was to all involved and not just you, in case it might have seemed that way You're golden Tommy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 7 hours ago, Froggy said: What's hilarious is the notion that FFP is ruining football yet spunking a Sheikhs oil money to turn middling clubs into machines is perfectly fine and wouldn't ruin football at all. Everyone on here hated what happened with City and Chelsea and called it soulless. Now that's what you want. Without the regulations every club would be owned by folks from the middle east and the ones that weren't would be clubs bought in leveraged buyouts to be cash cows for American bankers. You compare us to Primark and McDonald's, and act as if PIF using you as a plaything wouldn't rip the heart and soul out of your club. Had you spent billions since the takeover and signed players on £500k a week, a League Cup would have meant fuck all, yet for a lot of you it was one of the best days of your lives. I agree there should be spending restrictions to prevent stuff like City and Chelsea happening again. But they should apply equally (or somewhat comparably at least) to all 20 clubs, as opposed to 5-6 clubs being able to do whatever the fuck they want and the others being caught in a PSR death grip they can never escape from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 The reason salary cap works in America is because nobody else plays our sports. If they introduced that in the premier league or would just mean that England drops to the bottom of European football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 59 minutes ago, Miercoles said: The reason salary cap works in America is because nobody else plays our sports. If they introduced that in the premier league or would just mean that England drops to the bottom of European football. You could set a soft wage bill cap at say, what Villa and us are spending now and the PL would still comfortably outspend every other league in Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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