Bruno Guimarães

[Shearergol]

15 minutes ago, Orphanage said:

I doubt they look at it like that . They can leave to play in better teams and make more dosh is probably how they look at it . That doesnt make them anything other than realistic  btw . Add in the managers limitations and the club being hamstrung in terms of spending in order to get better players around Bruno Isak etc and its a no brainer

We should get Mourinho in. All players LOVE playing for him 

[RS]

We’d be a lot further down the table if our players dropped their arses as quick as some of the folk on this forum. 

[NWMag]

The logic of them leaving if we don’t get Europe makes no sense, as we weren’t in Europe when they signed for us and I’m sure they weren’t expecting CL so soon.

[aussiemag]

I think in each of their cases they will be wanting to see how ambitious the club are in the transfer window and how each of their games can go to another level. Isak will be wanting better service and more chances and Bruno will be wanting to play in the number 8 role. The answer has in a change of system. Play with a proper number 6 and two fullbacks that can push up. 

 

 

Edited March 12, 2024 by aussiemag

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

9 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

Yeah, I do believe that. It's not like we're getting fucking relegated to the championship is it?  Liverpool didn't get CL this season. How many of their top players left in a huff? Chelsea a mid table team can retain and pick up whomever they want. Arsenal finished 8th twice in a row under Arteta did they have to sell their best players because they didn't want to be there?

 

These are players who are playing for an ambitious club, which they are well aware of, and every player getting interviewed is always bragging about how good group they are. They are getting paid a lot more than what they would get elsewhere in Europe and play in the best league in the world™. One season outside of CL won't scare them away.

Going to have to disagree with pretty much all of that. The clubs you reference are among the biggest in the world as well, which I don’t think is a fair comparison to our situation.

If an acceptable offer arrives from an elite European club, they will leave. 

 

[Conjo]

3 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

Going to have to disagree with pretty much all of that. The clubs you reference are among the biggest in the world as well, which I don’t think is a fair comparison to our situation.

If an acceptable offer arrives from an elite European club, they will leave. 

 

 

Which clubs specifically do you think could afford to buy and pay them, besides those I mentioned a few posts over?

[Orphanage]

22 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

Cheer up miserable git

Its called realism

[Conjo]

10 minutes ago, aussiemag said:

I think in each of their cases they will be wanting to see how ambitious the club are in the transfer window and how each of their games can go to another level. Isak will be wanting better service and more chances and Bruno will be wanting to play in the number 8 role. The answer has in a change of system. Play with a proper number 6 and two fullbacks that can push up. 

 

Where and when have they indicated that? All I've ever seen is them saying they will play anywhere to help the team. 

[Conjo]

Just now, Orphanage said:

Its called realism

 

It's not realism, it's just you projecting your own frustrations and insecurities on here because we didn't win away to Chelsea.

 

Seriously, cheer up.

 

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

6 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

Which clubs specifically do you think could afford to buy and pay them, besides those I mentioned a few posts over?

I don’t know the financial possibilities for each elite European club, but you’ve already mentioned about 10 clubs which is a sizeable amount already.

 

In any case, this is deviating from my original challenge to your post which basically insinuated our best players would be steadfastly loyal to us and not be interested in moving on. I don’t think that’s true at all and I’d expect them to want to move if an acceptable offer arrives. 

[Orphanage]

25 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

It's not realism, it's just you projecting your own frustrations and insecurities on here because we didn't win away to Chelsea.

 

Seriously, cheer up.

 

Nah its realism . Like a lot of fans youre putting your wishes in front of the reality 

[Conjo]

7 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

I don’t know the financial possibilities for each elite European club, but you’ve already mentioned about 10 clubs which is a sizeable amount already.

 

In any case, this is deviating from my original challenge to your post which basically insinuated our best players would be steadfastly loyal to us and not be interested in moving on. I don’t think that’s true at all and I’d expect them to want to move if an acceptable offer arrives. 

 

Of course there are never any 100% guarantees. If for whatever reason one of the elite clubs in the world finds themselves a striker or cm short, see Bruno or Isak as the ideal replacement and have a load of money and wiggle room within FFP, sure, they might leave. Slim chance of that happening imo. I don't see any of the elite clubs screaming out for an Isak or Bruno with their current squads, and if they were, I think many of them would think there is better value elsewhere as we wouldn't let them go cheap.

 

Even if our players wanted to leave, I don't see any of our top players leaving for the likes of say Dortmund/Leverkusen, Inter/Juventus/Roma/AC Milan/Napoli, Atletico Madrid/Athletic/Sociedad etc (meaning the clubs in the bracket below the teams already mentioned earlier). Hell Isak joined us from Sociedad after we finished 11th. Do you really think he'd go back to that calibre of club just because of one season with no Europe? 

[LiquidAK]

Glad we're back to Pessimism = Grown-up. Feels comfortingly familiar.

[Nucasol]

No other weapon left in our arsenal than to deploy singing “Please Don’t Go” by KWS for 90 minutes straight from now each game until the end of the season.

 

“Bruuunnnnooooo I’m begging you to stay, Please don’t go…”

 

What do you say lads? Lads?

[Nine]

It’s really not a big reach to imagine that our players wouldn’t at least entertain serious offers from big clubs this summer is it? Because if those offers arrive then they certainly would.
 

It’s blindy optimistic to assume they’d turn down CL moves for more money and a chance at trophies, our project is years away from being able to guarantee that to anyone. Personally I wouldn’t hold it against any player for moving on, under our current circumstances it’s just part of the game for us. I trust management to trade and reinvest well.

 

 

Edited March 12, 2024 by Nine

[mighty__mag]

14 hours ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

If that’s our finishing position, you honestly believe the likes of Bruno, Isak, Botman and whoever else wouldn’t want to move on if a major European club put in an acceptable offer for them in the summer? 

 

Spurs finished outside all the European places last season, won nowt, lost Harry Kane, and hired a relatively unknown manager, they attracted James Maddison, Van de Ven, Vicario, among others.

 

You mentioned major European clubs putting in offers, Spurs were not in Europe, many clubs were in for Maddison and the others, clubs that offered champions league, and Uefa Cup, they still chose spurs, so your point isn't really valid.

 

Players choose clubs based on wages, let's get real. ??

 

 

Edited March 13, 2024 by mighty__mag

[Guest]

Spurs have been an established top 4-5 team for about 10 years whether we like it or not, though. 

[Shearergol]

56 minutes ago, Orphanage said:

Its called realism

 

You say it how it is man, I respect that, keep it real. Nobody else is brave enough to say it how it is like you.

[mighty__mag]

Maddison went from 100k to 170k That's all I see.

I still believe he took a risk based on what I pointed out, no Kane, Ange possibly not working out?

 

Hypothetically he could have been looking at a Chelsea/Poch situation, but, its all looking like it might work out as he'd hoped.

 

 

[HaydnNUFC]

9 minutes ago, Nine said:

It’s really not a big reach to imagine that our players wouldn’t at least entertain serious offers from big clubs this summer is it? Because if those offers arrive then they certainly would.
 

It’s blindy optimistic to assume they’d turn down CL moves for more money and a chance at trophies, our project is years away from being able to guarantee that to anyone. Personally I wouldn’t hold it against any player for moving on, under our current circumstances it’s just part of the game for us. I trust management to trade and reinvest well.

 

 

 

 

Yep. Isak is the one I worry the most about. We consistently don't get the best out of him and given how good he is to think that he wouldn't entertain the thought of leaving for an Arsenal or another big club closer to challenging for the top honours either here or abroad in Europe is delusional imo. 

 

Obviously we would get top money for him if we were to let him go, but to replace him with a player just as good as him or better would take £80m+ at least. And the players that cost that much will have better offers than from us.

[Shearergol]

Just now, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Yep. Isak is the one I worry the most about. We consistently don't get the best out of him and given how good he is to think that he wouldn't entertain the thought of leaving for an Arsenal or another big club closer to challenging for the top honours either here or abroad in Europe is delusional imo. 

 

Obviously we would get top money for him if we were to let him go, but to replace him with a player just as good as him or better would take £80m+ at least. And the players that cost that much will have better offers than from us.

 

If Arsenal match his valuation he's 100% off. 

[Sibierski]

2 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Yep. Isak is the one I worry the most about. We consistently don't get the best out of him and given how good he is to think that he wouldn't entertain the thought of leaving for an Arsenal or another big club closer to challenging for the top honours either here or abroad in Europe is delusional imo. 

 

Obviously we would get top money for him if we were to let him go, but to replace him with a player just as good as him or better would take £80m+ at least. And the players that cost that much will have better offers than from us.

 

Think what works in our favour, are his injuries over his time with us. Someone paying £80m+ will want more assurances he won't be injured regularly. 

[HaydnNUFC]

1 minute ago, Sibierski said:

 

Think what works in our favour, are his injuries over his time with us. Someone paying £80m+ will want more assurances he won't be injured regularly. 

 

Maybe, but his injury record before signing for us is very good. Barnes likewise. Perhaps it's us.

[wormy]

7 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

 

You say it how it is man, I respect that, keep it real. Nobody else is brave enough to say it how it is like you.

 

Gotta give 'em some credit for going against The Clique.

[Nine]

6 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

 

Yep. Isak is the one I worry the most about. We consistently don't get the best out of him and given how good he is to think that he wouldn't entertain the thought of leaving for an Arsenal or another big club closer to challenging for the top honours either here or abroad in Europe is delusional imo. 

 

Obviously we would get top money for him if we were to let him go, but to replace him with a player just as good as him or better would take £80m+ at least. And the players that cost that much will have better offers than from us.

Unfortunately a lot of football fans fall into

the trap of getting emotionally attached to certain players, convincing themselves said players wont leave and then when it happens they label those players as traitors  This cycle repeats itself and as you say, it’s mass delusion. 
 

We struck gold with Bruno and Isak in particular, but we’d extract big value from a sale for either also. Without a shadow of a doubt we will have targets identified already in anticipation of either leaving, not saying they will or they won’t but management will be prepared.

 

 

Edited March 12, 2024 by Nine