Bruno Guimarães

[AyeDubbleYoo]

But we’re challenging for top 4-6 now, where will we be when we sell star players for more prospects? 

[TRon]

23 minutes ago, HawK said:

 

It's the only way a club can increase its competitiveness against more established clubs in the current financial ruleset.

 

It's not an exact science and it's not a guarantee, but buy a player low and sell high, and use that money to buy 2 more potential players, is the only way to bridge the gap financially.

 

If we also show that we're willing to allow players to move on to 'bigger clubs' (in the mind of the player), players will be more likely to join us, knowing that they can use us as a platform or a stepping stone and not be restricted from moving on.

 

It's a completely dispassionate and pragmatic approach, and I also agree with the romanticism of talisman-esque players from yesteryear, but things are different now, definitely for the worse, but we as a club have to adapt to keep up. We have the luxury of at least having owners that will seemingly allow us to spend to the absolute limit, lots of other clubs don't have that, so we're in the best position to make this work.

 

Back to Isak, the lad is great. We haven't had a forward like him since Cole. But if we were to sell him, there's a potential we can buy a few more Halls, Livramentos etc. Not all will come good, but that's the game now. 

 

It's not what we want to read, but it is the bitter reality.

[TRon]

14 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

But we’re challenging for top 4-6 now, where will we be when we sell star players for more prospects? 

 

As long as we get top 4-6 it won't be an issue. It's when we don't qualify for Europe that players heads start to turn. My gut feeling is that the likes of Isak will want CL football, Bruno would probably be ok with Europa or Conference league qualification.

 

It's a big ask considering we can't spend as much as 6 other clubs and year on year the system is rigged so they can pull further ahead.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 hours ago, TRon said:

 

As long as we get top 4-6 it won't be an issue. It's when we don't qualify for Europe that players heads start to turn. My gut feeling is that the likes of Isak will want CL football, Bruno would probably be ok with Europa or Conference league qualification.

 

It's a big ask considering we can't spend as much as 6 other clubs and year on year the system is rigged so they can pull further ahead.

 

Players wanting to leave is fair enough, I was more talking about actively planning to sell our stars to buy more prospects. 

[Kanj]

X star player has a great game - press or N-O assume they will go or respond to a dodgy link on X and then cue people ushering them out the door. 

[TBG]

It's alright, we've got Brentford away next. 

 

Average to poor showing there and Isak, Howe, Bruno, Pope, Tonali & Barnes (depending on whether we want a squad or not) are first out the door.

[HawK]

6 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

Players wanting to leave is fair enough, I was more talking about actively planning to sell our stars to buy more prospects. 

 

I think it's the only sensible thing to do, I would really hope that we have the structure in place now to have ready-made targets in place with pre-scouting done on potentials if any of our top players leave for whatever reason.

 

I mean, I don't think you're suggesting we shouldn't have some options ready if there is a club that actually does stump up 120m for him ?

[TheBrownBottle]

9 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

But we’re challenging for top 4-6 now, where will we be when we sell star players for more prospects? 

And we’re trying to compete with clubs whose incomes are 2-3x ours; whereas our income is a fraction ahead of Villa and West Ham.

 

To have any chance of catching up, we need to sell players for big profits and replace them effectively.  This is how we have a top six instead of a top five - Spurs spent a decade selling their best players for megabucks and replacing them very effectively.  I’m sure no Spurs fan wanted to sell Berbatov, Bale or Modric. 
 

There isn’t a player at NUFC who anyone should think is here for the long-term, unless the rules suddenly change overnight - which they won’t.  This isn’t PSR messing with fans’ heads - this is the reality of the situation.  If anything, we need to become better sellers - Bruno’s value likely already peaked. 

[HawK]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

And we’re trying to compete with clubs whose incomes are 2-3x ours; whereas our income is a fraction ahead of Villa and West Ham.

 

To have any chance of catching up, we need to sell players for big profits and replace them effectively.  This is how we have a top six instead of a top five - Spurs spent a decade selling their best players for megabucks and replacing them very effectively.  I’m sure no Spurs fan wanted to sell Berbatov, Bale or Modric. 
 

There isn’t a player at NUFC who anyone should think is here for the long-term, unless the rules suddenly change overnight - which they won’t.  This isn’t PSR messing with fans’ heads - this is the reality of the situation.  If anything, we need to become better sellers - Bruno’s value likely already peaked. 

 

Agreed - to qualify your Spurs point further, I think Spurs fans were somewhat placated though that when the players did go, they really went to the best clubs around - Real Madrid, Utd (at the time). I don't think any of us could begrudge a sale of Isak to Barcelona or Bruno to City, it's just gotta be for the mega bucks we'd hope for. It's the thought of snipey-profits of selling Isak on for 80m to a club like Arsenal which are simple not top-tier that I think a lot of fans would be upset at (which hasn't even happened).

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, HawK said:

 

Agreed - to qualify your Spurs point further, I think Spurs fans were somewhat placated though that when the players did go, they really went to the best clubs around - Real Madrid, Utd (at the time). I don't think any of us could begrudge a sale of Isak to Barcelona or Bruno to City, it's just gotta be for the mega bucks we'd hope for. It's the thought of snipey-profits of selling Isak on for 80m to a club like Arsenal which are simple not top-tier that I think a lot of fans would be upset at (which hasn't even happened).

True - though ultimately money is money.  I’m not sure all of the NUFC support is aware of just how far behind we are in economic terms - and that the gap has widened since the takeover.  Most NUFC fans likely view Spurs as the club we’d be looking to overtake.  At present, Gateshead FC’s turnover is closer to ours than ours is to Spurs.  The gap is absolutely massive - and gradual, incremental growth is never, ever going to close the gap.  If the owners won’t bend the rules, won’t slap sponsorships all over the shop, and are going to take a lifetime to build a new ground, then the only option is to sell for big profits to close the gap. 

[HawK]

2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

True - though ultimately money is money.  I’m not sure all of the NUFC support is aware of just how far behind we are in economic terms - and that the gap has widened since the takeover.  Most NUFC fans likely view Spurs as the club we’d be looking to overtake.  At present, Gateshead FC’s turnover is closer to ours than ours is to Spurs.  The gap is absolutely massive - and gradual, incremental growth is never, ever going to close the gap.  If the owners won’t bend the rules, won’t slap sponsorships all over the shop, and are going to take a lifetime to build a new ground, then the only option is to sell for big profits to close the gap. 

 

A part of me thinks that if the only sanctions are points, then what's the harm in spending the fuck out of ourselves and take the short term hit on points to build the mega team for the medium term.

[Jaqen]

1 hour ago, HawK said:

 

A part of me thinks that if the only sanctions are points, then what's the harm in spending the fuck out of ourselves and take the short term hit on points to build the mega team for the medium term.

 

It's not a one off points hit, like  We'd be getting a points deduction every season. 

 

You can pretty much guarantee they'd bring in even tougher sanctions if we went out and deliberately took the piss too. 

[TheBrownBottle]

8 hours ago, HawK said:

 

A part of me thinks that if the only sanctions are points, then what's the harm in spending the fuck out of ourselves and take the short term hit on points to build the mega team for the medium term.

Like Jaqen said, we’d be deducted points repeatedly and the penalties would likely be stiffer in every successive season

[NUFC91]

Gets away with murder, 1 good game in 5 ATM....

[Aiston]

Cannot remember the last time he played well for a good run of games really.

 

It goes for the rest as well (not Hall/ Tino) but he is meant to be our best player.

[kenlau88210]

I thought he played well earlier in the game but faded in the 2nd half like the rest of the team. He been playing game in game out for ages he probably needs a rest 

[Keggy_Keagal]

Just now, Aiston said:

Cannot remember the last time he played well for a good run of games really.

 

It goes for the rest as well (not Hall/ Tino) but he is meant to be our best player.

An assist and a key pass that led to another goal against Liverpool was good enough for me . He has to be towards the attacking portion of the midfield he has the vision to slot Isak in. The Liverpool game showed exactly how the three should and could work. Unless there was an injury Howe cocked it up not playing the same three again . 

[Lush Vlad]

He was dreadful today. But quite a few of ours were. Just more noticeable when it’s your talisman and captain, I guess. 

[Rich]

Good post-match interview, at least: https://www.newcastleunited.com/en/video/729217. He looks sick as fuck.

[GEFAFWISP]

40 minutes ago, Rich said:

Good post-match interview, at least: https://www.newcastleunited.com/en/video/729217. He looks sick as fuck.

Probably all the kinder bars.

[Menace]

I've come to terms with him moving on - shit for both parties but it is what it is. Big clubs have sold big players to move onto the next step. I don't think he's completely happy here either by the looks of things which is understandable really.

[NUFC91]

52 minutes ago, Menace said:

I've come to terms with him moving on - shit for both parties but it is what it is. Big clubs have sold big players to move onto the next step. I don't think he's completely happy here either by the looks of things which is understandable really.

 

He's not consistent enough to go to a top team in my opinion, this season he's had maybe 3 good games?

[Geogaddi]

18 minutes ago, NUFC91 said:

 

He's not consistent enough to go to a top team in my opinion, this season he's had maybe 3 good games?

Yeah exactly, is a reason he is still here and nobody activated that release clause. 

[Barnes23]

The whole team is underperforming massively at the moment across the board, and has been for some time - I don't see much point in over-scrutinizing the performances of our (best) players absent that vital context. There isn't a single player who has been consistently at their best this season so far. 

 

Bruno is easily good enough to play for any other team in the division. 

[Nepharite]

We need to be ruthless and sell Bruno in the Summer. Love him to bits but it's got to be him for money bought in v loss to the squad.