Dan Burn

[madras]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I don’t think it really gets mentioned when they’re both right footed. Just so rare to see two lefties. 

Probably start a Union next.

[Displayname]

 

41 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

It didn’t like 

 

 

 

 

 

if the ball hits him here then you cant even say that his arms are in an unnatural position. He is even trying to hide them ffs

[Pablo123]

26 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

 

It proves it didn't hit him on the shoulder like you suggested  I have seen the replay several times, you don't need to deny obvious facts just because he's a Newcastle player.

 

There's a separate question as to whether his hand is in a 'natural position' or not, but it quite clearly hits him on the upper arm.

It hit him above his sleeve, just below his shoulder. Certainly wasn't delibrate, he was pulling his arm towards his body.

[Lush Vlad]

He was brilliant today. I’m not fully subscribed to the idea that he’s been amazing for all of this season. I think his lack of mobility and limited ability on the ball hurt us at times. It did today a bit when the game was open. 
 

However, it isn’t his fault he’s a big bastad and the fact he is such a unit helps massively defending the box. Wins countless headers and gets to balls other players wouldn’t with his lanky legs. His positioning is superb when we are sitting in. You lose track of the amount of clearances and crosses that he stops. Along the deck or in the air. He certainly does the less glamorous stuff to a very high level. 
 

He also clearly has great leadership qualities and marshalls the back line really well. 
 

He was outstanding and probably MOTM after Tino. 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 17:27 by Lush Vlad

[BonesJones]

2 hours ago, jack j said:

Thought he was a gonna first half mind but aye some boy

Solanke looks a right pest to play against

 

If he's a right pest, what would Isak be like to train against each day?

[wormy]

1 hour ago, jonny1403 said:

It didn’t like 

 

 

 

Well my screenshot is better than yours so nur.

 

[jonny1403]

17 hours ago, wormy said:

 

Well my screenshot is better than yours so nur.

 

So again it shows it hitting him on the upper arm and not the shoulder? Ffs 

[David Edgar]

15 hours ago, nemtizz said:

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Can you fuck off with shit like this?

[Kid Icarus]

Sleeve is not handball.

[David Edgar]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Sleeve is not handball.

 

It can be. The cut-off is below the armpit. Lower sleeve is therefore handball.

[Kid Icarus]

Still not handball though is it.

[David Edgar]

The ball looks like it strikes Burn below the armpit line to me. So I think it was definitely a handball.

 

I can also see why it could've got a yellow. But referees are so incredibly inconsistent on fouls that prevent counter attacks. Sometimes referees are chucking yellow cards at everything and sometimes they just give fouls until there has been half a dozen such fouls. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The yellow card for stopping a counter has definitely become less common. Not sure if it’s a directive but it used to be basically automatic. 

[BoSelecta]

9 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

 

Can you fuck off with shit like this?

Aye it’s pathetic, I’m at the fucking kids soft play. 

[jonny1403]

12 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Still not handball though is it.

Well yes, by the letter of the law it is. Hence why the ref gave it. 

[Checko]

10 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

The yellow card for stopping a counter has definitely become less common. Not sure if it’s a directive but it used to be basically automatic. 

I think the rule you're thinking of is in the list of what makes unsporting behaviour, which is a booking:

 

"commits any other offence which interferes with or stops a promising attack except where the referee awards a penalty kick for an offence which was an attempt to play the ball or for a challenge for the ball"

 

Not sure when an attack becomes 'promising' though

[Kid Icarus]

7 minutes ago, jonny1403 said:

Well yes, by the letter of the law it is. Hence why the ref gave it. 

Ref giving it or not is irrelevant really considering they get things wrong. As it hits Burn he's moved his arm into a natural position and imo it doesn't hit the 'handball zone' anyway.

[Heron]

24 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

 

Can you fuck off with shit like this?

[Checko]

Here's an article about stopping promising attacks that I largely can't be arsed to read. But skimming it one thing it does talk about is possession.

 

"This is a key aspect of SPA [stopping a promising attack]. Without possession or the likelihood of an attacker to gain possession of the ball when the offence occurs, there can be no SPA."

 

So in a handball like Burn's, the fact you can't be sure where the ball was going to go, or if the attacking team would have retained posession possibly means it arguably doesn't fall into the definition of stopping a promising attack. Or at least my guess is that's why there was no booking. Again it's a judgement call.

 

For the record I do think it was a handball though.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 12:03 by Checko

[jonny1403]

7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Ref giving it or not is irrelevant really considering they get things wrong. As it hits Burn he's moved his arm into a natural position and imo it doesn't hit the 'handball zone' anyway.

Agree to disagree, I think it’s clear the ball hits him below his armpit from both the stills and the video and his arm is still extended away from his body.