Matt Targett set to miss remainder of season with hamstring injury (Howe)

[Guest]

If we started the season well with Targett left-back and Burn in the centre, it might be Schar that gets the unlucky Targett treatment this year. If Schar's fit I don't see Targett getting much of a look-in from the start. 

[GEFAFWISP]

1 minute ago, Ronaldo said:

Fucking hell we better hope not. I don’t think he’s abject but better players will eat him for breakfast. 

Under the presumption he remains in a fixed state of performance, yes. I'd imagine the point is that with more games in his legs he'll improve somewhat, which makes sense given the stop start nature his 2nd half of last season had and can likely perform well in our setup, a setup Dan Burn can play well in as a LB.

[Ronaldo]

55 minutes ago, pbxtn said:

Courtesy of Lee Ryder…”Eddie Howe says that Matt Targett has nothing to prove to him after his superb pre-season form has put him on the brink of winning back his first-team place.”

 

Superb? Really? I've not seen a lot of pre-season minutes, but that's Ryder being Ryder right? 

Ryder said the same thing a week ago: Targett had been so good in pre-season that he’d overtaken Burn for LB. You can only laugh at the mong.

[LV]

5 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

Fucking hell we better hope not. I don’t think he’s abject but better players will eat him for breakfast. 

Do you think he’s declined or did you never really rate him from the beginning? If he has declined in your eyes, do you think it’s a permanent thing? 
 

Not trying to catch you out here or anything, I’m genuinely interested. I think he’s been fine and has just suffered for a stop/ start reintroduction following his injury and illness last season. I still think he’s the same solid 7/10 player and I’m content with him playing more.

 

I’m not against a world class LB upgrade though obvs. 
 

 

[gazza ladra]

7 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

If we started the season well with Targett left-back and Burn in the centre, it might be Schar that gets the unlucky Targett treatment this year. If Schar's fit I don't see Targett getting much of a look-in from the start. 

Can’t see this. As soon as Schär is fit, he starts. He offers so much more than Burn.

[The College Dropout]

22 minutes ago, gazza ladra said:

Can’t see this. As soon as Schär is fit, he starts. He offers so much more than Burn.

Even if he’s 85% fit.  He starts. 

[Ronaldo]

30 minutes ago, LV said:

Do you think he’s declined or did you never really rate him from the beginning? If he has declined in your eyes, do you think it’s a permanent thing? 
 

Not trying to catch you out here or anything, I’m genuinely interested. I think he’s been fine and has just suffered for a stop/ start reintroduction following his injury and illness last season. I still think he’s the same solid 7/10 player and I’m content with him playing more.

 

I’m not against a world class LB upgrade though obvs. 
 

 

I thinks he’s basically a decent player. Our standards defensively are now so high he’d be a clear weak link.

[Ben]

1 hour ago, Ronaldo said:

I thinks he’s basically a decent player. Our standards defensively are now so high he’d be a clear weak link.

I don't think we've seen enough of him to make that decision 

[Lenny]

We've probably seen more in his time with us to suggest it's simply not true.

Seems his long term absence and subsequent sporadic appearances have resulted in people writing him off. He was very good in the half season loan with us and if he can recover that form he'll be a valuable player.

[TorchyTBB]

I've never really been a Targett fan.  He's just an average footballer with slightly less than average pace so he will never be good enough for a top eight team.  Contrast him with Trippier who although not particularly quick, more than makes up for that with his high technical ability and speed of mind.

[NUFC]

If Targett is average what is Burn? 

 

I dont see much difference between thdm, Burn is better defensively but we were so predictable last year as everything went down the right as Burn gets a nosebleed if he goes past the half way line. 

 

At least Targett can defent decent and is better going forward.

 

Id have Targett LB over Burn this year and look to prioritise this as a position to upgrade in next 12 months

[STM]

They are both good players.

 

[STM]

4th, we finished 4th.  easy to forget at times.

[SUPERTOON]

On Burn I thought he went through a period where he struggled, around the time our form dipped as a team pre league cup final. I thought he was absolutely fine for the run in though. Obviously we could improve that position, I just don’t think the club have found anyone available at a decent price.

[r0cafella]

Always confused when I come in some threads. Has anyone said Targett or burn are bad and they want rid? Or are people just saying we could upgrade them easier than some other players? 

[OverThere]

If we win evey game they are brilliant but as soon as we lose one they are shite. 

[Skeletor]

36 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Always confused when I come in some threads. Has anyone said Targett or burn are bad and they want rid? Or are people just saying we could upgrade them easier than some other players? 

 

People are very defensive of players these days. Nothing out of order suggesting left back is the weakest area in the starting line up and should be upgraded.

[STM]

40 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Always confused when I come in some threads. Has anyone said Targett or burn are bad and they want rid? Or are people just saying we could upgrade them easier than some other players? 

 

They were both called "average" in a post above. Which is clear bollocks. They are good players. 

 

Also, left back is arguably the hardest position to upgrade. I've asked countless times for realistic suggestions, I've barely seen one decent one.

[STM]

5 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

 

People are very defensive of players these days. Nothing out of order suggesting left back is the weakest area in the starting line up and should be upgraded.

 

I agree that it's the weakest of the 11 positions but that doesn't make it WEAK and that's the distinction I'm trying to make.

 

You can want a better left back without throwing mud around at our current players.

 

Also, some might argue that some of our second choice players such as Lascelles are a bigger issue, should injuries arise.

[Guest]

Both are good players with their own strengths and weaknesses but Burn clearly is very vocal and always seems to be letting players know what he thinks they should be doing. Whether the advice is good or bad is another thing but I imagine it is good. Targett is very quiet in comparison.

[Guest]

Dan Burn's biggest strength is is ability to stretch his arms and legs 4ft. 

[The College Dropout]

53 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Always confused when I come in some threads. Has anyone said Targett or burn are bad and they want rid? Or are people just saying we could upgrade them easier than some other players? 

Aye.  I think both Targett and Burn are good midtable players.  Both clubs we bought them from are fair enough to think they would take the money and get upgrades on them with most of that fee. 

 

 

Edited August 6, 2023 by The College Dropout

[The College Dropout]

I wouldn’t sell Burn under any reasonable circumstance. 
 

But if we sold Targett for what we bought him for.  Surely we could get a solid upgrade for £5-10m more.  Moreno at Villa was £14m and Estupinian was £18m. 

[STM]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Aye.  I think both Targett and Burn are good midtable players.  Both clubs we bought them from are fair enough to think they would take the money and get upgrades on them with most of that fee. 

 

 

 

 

Whilst I agree that in essence, they are "mid table" ish players, I think from a strategic point of view we don't want to be just signing players that are a slight improvement.

 

I think we all agree that our next left back needs to be an absolute worldy and tick all of the boxes.

 

I think it will take 40m+ and the right player to enter the market.

[STM]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

I wouldn’t sell Burn under any reasonable circumstance. 
 

But if we sold Targett for what we bought him for.  Surely we could get a solid upgrade for £5-10m more.  Moreno at Villa was £14m and Estupinian was £18m. 

 

This is the issue though. I don't think we want "solid upgrades". Everything I've seen suggests we want to go for a potential future star.