sunderland - League derbies are back

[Nucasol]

On 11/03/2025 at 19:41, Nucasol said:

That’s the first time I’ve seen their actual pricing. I can’t imagine the amount being given away to create an £12.80 a ticket average on 37,012 attendances (plus us in the FA cup and Crewe in the league cup.

 

Their ticket prices aren’t buttons either - Cat As for adults between £35-42 and lower Cs are still £26-30.
 

Taking a conservative average adult ticket price of £30 and kids ticket price of £12 with a 1:2 adults to kids ratio, their average attendance would net them £663,995 a match. In reality they get £465,640. Based on the same average prices and 1:2 ratio that’s the equivalent of 25,955 paying attendees. So 11,057 average non-paying attendees.

 

For record, their average attendance from inception is 26,376, so broadly in line with that. 

@Dr Venkman

[Groundhog63]

[et tu brute]

Isn't the overall loss over 3 years for newly promoted clubs only 67 (or so) million since the Premier League put the new changes in after Leicester. Unless they get further investment or sell a few players, they won't be signing much with actual money. Two losses in accounts last two years, players bonuses for promotion (Ipswich was £16 million last year), Le Fee transfer (£20 million or so) already coming out of their accounts before they even start.

 

Borson on talksport a couple of weeks ago:

 

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by et tu brute

[KennyUtd]

I mean, they've been pretty woeful for at least half a season. Were dead lucky to get through to the final and were gifted the final because Sheff Utd got their 2nd half completely wrong. They'll need to spend stupid money to have any chance of competing and their owner just doesn't do that. He might well sell up but who, out there, with that kind of money buys Sunderland man. This isn't my bias but just common sense. They've always been an also-ran. A club that makes up the numbers and it will be the same next season. It's a completely different animal from when they were last in the top flight. Just relax boys and enjoy the mackem meltdown from about November. 

[Newcastle Fan]

I have to credit their manager as it really is an achievement reaching the premier league with a team of mainly youngsters and unproven players, i still don't know how both Coventry and Sheffield didn't manage to beat them and will be interesting to see how they fair in the real league next year.

[PRL]

As much as I hate the Mackems, I’d probably disagree. There’s actually some decent assets - lots of highly valued young players who may look shit whenever I watch them but if they are getting 8 figures for players like Watson it indicates they’ll probably gets 8 figures for Bellingham, Rigg and maybe one or two others, plus the stadium and compared to some of the mid table premier league clubs a decent support - they’ll sell out for at least the first season in the premier league you’d imagine - it’ll potentially be an attractive proposition. They’re not too dissimilar to Man City in terms of pre-takeover profile, but the ownership game and rules have very much changed since then and Sunderland is a lot more backwater than Manchester. 
 

I hope nobody does come in for them, but wouldn’t rule it out, particularly with the US hardon for soccerball and some prominence via their hilarious documentary. Even with new owners I think they’d be straight back down, just maybe in better position to stabilise and go again. Without new owners I’m hoping they do a Luton, who themselves did a Sunderland. 
 

Frankly, I just want them consigned back to the championship asap and to fuck off into oblivion. Can’t completely count on it tho. 

[On the Grid]

I for one hope they give it a really good go and finish 19th

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by On the Grid

[Dr.Spaceman]

They're not finishing higher than 18th, that's for sure. Every single current PL club outside the relegated sides has a 25 man squad that is absolutely light years away from anything Sunderland can or will be able to cobble together before the end of the first window.

[Doctor Zaius]

1 hour ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

 Who makes stuff like this?

[Groundhog63]

2 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

 

 Who makes stuff like this?

No idea but my WhatsApp is full of it 😂😀😀

[The Bonk]

45 minutes ago, PRL said:

As much as I hate the Mackems, I’d probably disagree. There’s actually some decent assets - lots of highly valued young players who may look shit whenever I watch them but if they are getting 8 figures for players like Watson it indicates they’ll probably gets 8 figures for Bellingham, Rigg and maybe one or two others, plus the stadium and compared to some of the mid table premier league clubs a decent support - they’ll sell out for at least the first season in the premier league you’d imagine - it’ll potentially be an attractive proposition. They’re not too dissimilar to Man City in terms of pre-takeover profile, but the ownership game and rules have very much changed since then and Sunderland is a lot more backwater than Manchester. 
 

I hope nobody does come in for them, but wouldn’t rule it out, particularly with the US hardon for soccerball and some prominence via their hilarious documentary. Even with new owners I think they’d be straight back down, just maybe in better position to stabilise and go again. Without new owners I’m hoping they do a Luton, who themselves did a Sunderland. 
 

Frankly, I just want them consigned back to the championship asap and to fuck off into oblivion. Can’t completely count on it tho. 

Closer profile to a Burnley, no? You’re being generous there, mate.

[PRL]

1 minute ago, The Bonk said:

Closer profile to a Burnley, no? You’re being generous there, mate.

Not won owt since the 70s, boast about their massive followings in the lower leagues and live in the shadow of their neighbours…

[BlueStar]

9 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

 

 Who makes stuff like this?

 

Someone who doesn't know it's not been called the Premiership since 2007

[The Bonk]

24 minutes ago, PRL said:

Not won owt since the 70s, boast about their massive followings in the lower leagues and live in the shadow of their neighbours…

That’s true, see where you are coming from.

[Geordie Ahmed]

4 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

What are the potential positives though? We beat a bottom feeder? So what. We beat them last season. It was extremely underwhelming.

 

On the other hand just say the stars align for them (like they have in these play off games tbf) we get a player sent off 1st half and they end up beating us it literally goes down in mackem folklore. In fact even if one of their cloggers put in a bad challenge that injured one of our key players he'd go down in mackem folklore himself.

 

As I say I've been genuinely surprised with the amount of NUFC fans wanting them back. That's probably a sign in itself that the derby has lost its edge anyway from our perspective. We should always want the very worst for them, like they do for us, not wanting them getting £200m PL money.

 

I'd rather they rotted away to nothing whilst we continue to do what we do.

 

Man City last season got £175m whilst finishing 1st and being shown 28 times, how are the Mackems going to get £25m more than them?

 

Luton finished 18th and got £115m so it'll be closer to that figure

[Jonas]

4 hours ago, Rich said:

I think it’s a hangover of a loser mentality, which is why your last paragraph is bang on, their entire existence is based on loser mentality. You’re worried about the potential negatives rather than focusing on the potential positives.

 

Generally speaking, the more high stakes games we play in, the better we seem to get, there’s no argument to say that the derbies won’t be high stakes. We’ll approach them properly and we’ll win them both, and they’ll mean a lot more than the cup win did.

Thinking about it, its the opposite with me and Its really since we became distinctly superior under Keegan that the games took on an unlikable unnecessary little to gain all risk vibe. Unless it was inexperience prior to that when we were more evenly matched it didn't feel that way, for me. My first away game there was the last one prior to Keegan, we were underdogs probably for the last time and drawing felt like a moral victory. Its the opposite now.

Got to imagine folks different timelines as fans effects their views on this.

[midds]

3 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

Man City last season got £175m whilst finishing 1st and being shown 28 times, how are the Mackems going to get £25m more than them?

 

Luton finished 18th and got £115m so it'll be closer to that figure

It's guaranteed PL money for one season plus another lump as a marrachute for the next couple of seasons too

[Geordie Ahmed]

1 minute ago, midds said:

It's guaranteed PL money for one season plus another lump as a marrachute for the next couple of seasons too

 

Ah right, that makes sense

 

Still, that amount of money doesn't really go far when you are starting from such a low base