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1 minute ago, Ikon said:


Aye of course mate. I think he has some good attributes but he will always be too limited. Looking better than Hendrick and Colback doesn’t make a footballer imo. 

 

Absolutely, he lacks in too many key areas.

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1 minute ago, Jaqen said:

It's basically a pre season training excercise in ridiculous heat with a lineup that would never be fielded in the league. 

 

Sometime I wish pre season friendlies just weren't televised, people always read too much into them. 

 

 

 

Such a good point. Actually beginning to think it's a bad idea. 

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2 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

It's basically a pre season training excercise in ridiculous heat with a lineup that would never be fielded in the league. 

 

Sometime I wish pre season friendlies just weren't televised, people always read too much into them. 


It’s definitely not something fans should watch. And I’ll have watched 4 or 5 by the time the season starts :lol:

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1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

 

He definetly improved but statistically at least, he was a weak link in the midfield.


He just slows the game too much and his lack of mobility is highly noticeable also. As I keep saying we need another midfielder in there. Personally I think Paqueta is a no brainer. We really do need that position, right winger and striker to really move forward. Just have to wait and see what happens 

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Just now, et tu brute said:


He just slows the game too much and his lack of mobility is highly noticeable also. As I keep saying we need another midfielder in there. Personally I think Paqueta is a no brainer. We really do need that position, right winger and striker to really move forward. Just have to wait and see what happens 

Paqueta wouldnt be playing in Shelveys position. 

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Just now, et tu brute said:


Did I say he would?

Well I dont see you're point then? We sign Paqueta and Shelvey remains in the same position, second choice to Bruno or starting if Bruno is pushed up.

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1 minute ago, et tu brute said:


He just slows the game too much and his lack of mobility is highly noticeable also. As I keep saying we need another midfielder in there. Personally I think Paqueta is a no brainer. We really do need that position, right winger and striker to really move forward. Just have to wait and see what happens 

 

I don't anticipate Shelvey starting this year.

 

Think another midfielder comes in to play alongside Joe and Bruno, and Shelvey will play a back up role to Bruno in that deeper position.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

It's basically a pre season training excercise in ridiculous heat with a lineup that would never be fielded in the league. 

 

Sometime I wish pre season friendlies just weren't televised, people always read too much into them. 

 

 

 

 

Well you can glean some patterns repeating themselves, like the bad players still looking pretty useless, so you can draw some conclusions.

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2 minutes ago, et tu brute said:


Nope Bruno plays in that position

?? So you identified that Shelvey is a weak link then suggested that we sign Paqueta to fix that which does nothing to strengthen the position that Shelvey plays in? Im lost 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Nine said:

Well I dont see you're point then? We sign Paqueta and Shelvey remains in the same position, second choice to Bruno or starting if Bruno is pushed up.

 

Do you see a difference in these starting midfields?

 

          Beg Jow                       Bruno

      

                             Shelvey

 

                                 vs.

 

                            Paqueta

 

        Beg Jow                            Bruno

 

 

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2 minutes ago, loki679 said:

 

Do you see a difference in these starting midfields?

 

          Beg Jow                       Bruno

      

                              Willock

 

                                 vs.

 

                            Paqueta

 

        Beg Jow                            Bruno

 

 

 

FYP

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As for Shelvey, looks fit and some cracking passes, give him 5 yards of space and he’ll be fine. Sure, he needs an upgrade but we’ve got more pressing needs. I hope we go full strength for 70 mins next game. We need to know what that looks like. 

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4 minutes ago, loki679 said:

 

Do you see a difference in these starting midfields?

 

          Beg Jow                       Bruno

      

                             Shelvey

 

                                 vs.

 

                            Paqueta

 

        Beg Jow                            Bruno

 

 

Obviously but you're missing the point, you've got Paqueta and Brunos positions backwards on that. So if we sign Paqeuta that still means that Shelvey is second choice to Bruno.. so again - how does signing Paqueta upgrade the position that Shelvey plays in?

 

The clamour for Paqueta has gone into overdrive just lately.

 

 

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Just now, Nine said:

?? So you identified that Shelvey is a weak link then suggested that we sign Paqueta to fix it while that does nothing to strengthen the position that Shelvey plays in? Im lost 


Signing Paqueta, dropping Shelvey and playing Bruno there is fixing the problem. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

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2 minutes ago, et tu brute said:


Signing Paqueta, dropping Shelvey and playing Bruno there is fixing the problem. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

Bruno will be starting over Shelvey there most of the time anyway though, thats my point. Its his natural position. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Nine said:

Obviously but you're missing the point, you've got Paqueta and Brunos positions backwards on that. So if we sign Paqeuta that still means that Shelvey is second choice to Bruno.. so again - how does signing Paqueta upgrade the position that Shelvey plays in?

 

Paqueta is an attacking midfielder, Bruno sits in the pivot.

 

It upgrades the position Shelvey plays in because we have better players playing there.

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Just now, loki679 said:

 

Paqueta is an attacking midfielder, Bruno sits in the pivot.

 

It upgrades the position Shelvey plays in because we have better players playing there.

But Shelvey is still second choice to Bruno who would be starting there anyway? Bruno wont be starting as one of the front 2 while Joe and Willock are fit. 

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3 minutes ago, et tu brute said:


Signing Paqueta, dropping Shelvey and playing Bruno there is fixing the problem. Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

Definitely our best option to strengthen and take us up a level, if that deal is possible we need to try and make it.

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