General NUFC stuff

[Fak]

Keegan above SBR. 

[Kid Icarus]

Everyone on that down a tier except Keegan. Howe goes in an A+ tier on his own, but probably S soon.

[54]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Everyone on that down a tier except Keegan. Howe goes in an A+ tier on his own, but probably S soon.

Personally 

 

Howe > Keegan > Bobby.

 

Howe has managed to do something no other manager has done in actually winning a trophy, that puts him in a tier of his own imo.

[Yorkie]

Assuming we're measuring impact rather than solely talent; those five years under Keegan are the basis of the club that exists today and any manager that enjoys any success are (to an admittedly diminishing extent, as time goes by) standing on his shoulders. Howe belongs alongside him but could potentially surpass with sustained success.

 

If we're measuring talent with less emphasis on the impact at Newcastle, then Howe probably takes top spot, then Bobby, then Keegan.

 

Pardew placing there is obviously abhorrent but nothing we don't already know about the wider fanbase's view on the man. Most people have, at most, a tepid dislike of him, which is only reducing with his well-broadcasted media charm these days.

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, 54 said:

Personally 

 

Howe > Keegan > Bobby.

 

Howe has managed to do something no other manager has done in actually winning a trophy, that puts him in a tier of his own imo.

Each to their own but I think Howe would need to do more to equal what Keegan did. A rise that's not really possible considering our position. In terms of silverware he's there obviously, but in terms of where we were and where we went to with Keegan it's something else. Howe at Bournemouth is more like Keegan I'd say.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2025 by Kid Icarus

[Yorkie]

Unrelated but I really hope Howe does an autobiography at some point in the distant future.  Absolutely loved Just Call Me Bobby and Keegan's one from a few years back.

[ponsaelius]

Howe for me is #1 now.

 

Not just the trophy, but I think he's competing in a more competitive league than Keegan did and with PSR constraints that NUFC didn't have to deal with back then.

[Optimistic Nut]

4 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

Howe for me is #1 now.

 

Not just the trophy, but I think he's competing in a more competitive league than Keegan did and with PSR constraints that NUFC didn't have to deal with back then.

 

Agree with this. PSR restrictions we're probably 7th in terms of size and that'll likely be the case until PSR lifts. He's got us punching right in amongst them. Plus he's won a trophy.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2025 by Optimistic Nut

[gbandit]

Howe’s in a class of his own. Keegan achieved something miraculous and he’s the #1 reason I love this club as much as I do. If he hadn’t been there, none of what we have now would be possible. However, Howe is the better manager. 
 

Howe has to deal with so much more shit, he has to thread the needle way more than Keegan did and do it against incredibly stacked odds. He’s also less emotionally fragile than Keegan so has the potential to not burn out like King Kev did

[Coffee_Johnny]

1 hour ago, 54 said:

NUFC Reddit have been doing a tier list of all NUFC Premier League Managers, this is the list (Howe will obviously be S tier):

 

What’s this based on? Howe is second only to Keegan in terms of overall league performances (using points per game). Robson third. Appreciate Howe  doesn’t have the highest finishing position, but technically Dalglish has a second to his name. 
Howe also is in a class of his own when it comes to cups. 

[Kid Icarus]

I'd go something like:

 

S: Keegan, Howe
A: SBR
B: Benitez

C: Hughton
D: Dalglish, Roeder, Allardyce, Gullit

E: Souness, McClaren, Kinnear

F: Carver, Bruce, Pardew

 

Tbh Kinnear and Pardew could probably be higher in terms of football, but I find it impossible to ignore the off-field damage that they did to the club. 
 

 

 

Edited September 5, 2025 by Kid Icarus

[Yorkie]

@Kid Icarus 

 

Keegan still has it but a planck length imo but otherwise aye.

[54]

This i'd go like this:

 

S+: Howe

S: Keegan, SBR
A: Benitez
B: Hughton

C: Roeder
D: Dalglish, Allardyce,

E: Souness, McClaren, Gullit

F: Carver, Pardew, Kinnear

F+: Bruce

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

41 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Each to their own but I think Howe would need to do more to equal what Keegan did. A rise that's not really possible considering our position. In terms of silverware he's there obviously, but in terms of where we were and where we went to with Keegan it's something else. Howe at Bournemouth is more like Keegan I'd say.

 

 

 

Which is something Howe has done, so elevates him above Keegan

[joeyt]

Was at a book launch last night at the Live Theatre with the author of this new book

 

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

Which is something Howe has done, so elevates him above Keegan

As a manager, definitely. As a Newcastle manager, not for me. Dalglish would be S-tier with that criteria

[joeyt]

Depends on your criteria of success. 

 

If you base it on silverware you could argue Keegan wasn't a success here. But we all know it was so much more that silverware

[SteV]

McClaren gets away with absolute murder just because he didn’t seem like a dickhead.

 

Getting that squad relegated was absolutely disgusting. The worst underperformance of any manager in my lifetime.

[Dr.Spaceman]

2 minutes ago, SteV said:

McClaren gets away with absolute murder just because he didn’t seem like a dickhead.

 

Getting that squad relegated was absolutely disgusting. The worst underperformance of any manager in my lifetime.

 

I'm not sure anyone lets him get away with anything tbh, he was completely useless and it was very evident that our 'purples' at the time had zero respect for him. He's right up there with the worst of the worst in terms of managers in my lifetime.

[SteV]

Just now, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

I'm not sure anyone lets him get away with anything tbh, he was completely useless and it was very evident that our 'purples' at the time had zero respect for him. He's right up there with the worst of the worst in terms of managers in my lifetime.

I’d be taking @54’s list and creating a special category below everyone else, just for him.

[Kid Icarus]

5 minutes ago, SteV said:

McClaren gets away with absolute murder just because he didn’t seem like a dickhead.

 

Getting that squad relegated was absolutely disgusting. The worst underperformance of any manager in my lifetime.

 

Nowhere near our 12/13 squad's underperformance imo, that McClaren team was ridiculously unbalanced and lacked quality in key areas.

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

6 minutes ago, SteV said:

McClaren gets away with absolute murder just because he didn’t seem like a dickhead.

 

Getting that squad relegated was absolutely disgusting. The worst underperformance of any manager in my lifetime.

No we all accept he was terrible, he's just not as bad as Pardew and Bruce because they were cunts and also terrible

[gbandit]

22 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Was at a book launch last night at the Live Theatre with the author of this new book

 

Any interesting tidbits or just generic stuff at the launch?

[kingxlnc]

32 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

I'd go something like:

 

S: Keegan, Howe
A: SBR
B: Benitez

C: Hughton
D: Dalglish, Roeder, Allardyce, Gullit

E: Souness, McClaren, Kinnear

F: Carver, Bruce, Pardew

 

Tbh Kinnear and Pardew could probably be higher in terms of football, but I find it impossible to ignore the off-field damage that they did to the club. 
 

 

 

 

Dalglish destroyed Keegan's team. He should be at the same level as Souness who destoryed SBR's team. Both E. Dalglish took the Entertainers and turned them into a team who scored 36 goals across a season. Ridiculous. 
Expectations to performance / reality - given the teams they had, their reputation and expectations wise, they should be E. 
Roeder had a terrible team but that run of form where we got to 7th was major overperformance. Then he got ill. Below Hughton but not as bad as some of the others. 
Carver and Bruce at F makes sense. They are the worst by far - Bruce more damaging than Carver. McClaren also had 100m spend in the summer and a good team - especially in Jan when Shelvey and Townsend also came in. No way on Earth they should have been relegated. 
Pardew is probably a D- or E in hindsight, relative to how terrible some of the others are and that 5th season and also the fact we were paid good money for him. When he left we were top half and in a good points position - and the only reason why Carver didn't relegate us was because of that opening half of the season. 

S: Keegan, Howe
A: SBR
B: Benitez
C: Hughton, Roeder
D: Gullit, Allardyce, Pardew
E: Souness, Dalglish, Kinnear
F: McClaren, Carver, Bruce

 

 

Edited September 5, 2025 by kingxlnc

[joeyt]

Just stuff about Keegan's character and how much of an icon he was before football icons were really a thing