Dan Ashworth (now working for The FA)

[Dokko]

Imagine wasting your time trying to explain entitled and arrogant to a Manure fan 

[Froggy]

9 minutes ago, simonsays said:

The people you are going after aren't the issue - it's the manner you're doing it in.  It seems entitled and arrogant, which I know is the Man Utd way, but I don't really see it as a sensible tactic.

 

I don't see anything that we've done as entitled and arrogant. We've approached clubs the same way as any other club would do. Berrada was done quietly with City. Ashworth there's been noise. 

 

The only thing that was arrogant was SJR's interview, which none of us liked. Keep quiet and carry on. 

[simonsays]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

I don't see anything that we've done as entitled and arrogant. We've approached clubs the same way as any other club would do. Berrada was done quietly with City. Ashworth there's been noise. 

 

The only thing that was arrogant was SJR's interview, which none of us liked. Keep quiet and carry on. 

Shock horror

[Guest]

Dan Ashworth smells of cabbage, you can have him

[Froggy]

6 minutes ago, simonsays said:

Shock horror

 

And you can't either, hence the juvenile response. 

[simonsays]

5 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

And you can't either, hence the juvenile response.

Pot, meet Kettle.

[Chris_R]

34 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

We've faced criticism for years, and rightly so, about looking for expensive quick fixes. 

 

Now we're going after the best in class and willing to be patient to secure them, including not paying over the odds to release them from gardening leave. 

 

I'd say it's far from idiotic. it's a long term plan, which is something we haven't had in 10+ years. 

 

If that's the plan from the outset, fair enough. If you genuinely have been happy to wait for his gardening leave to expire from day 1, crack on. 

 

However all the indications from news reports are that you're wanting us to fold like a pack of cards and let him leave early for a pittance, because of the 'allure' of him going to Man U. If that's the case I'd rather tell you to get fucked and let him rot in his garden.

 

Especially after how you allegedly behaved over Lingard.

[Guest]

Pay the iron price or wait till after the transfer window(s).

[et tu brute]

54 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Imagine wasting your time trying to explain entitled and arrogant to a Manure fan 

Especially the one posting on here 

[Froggy]

11 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

If that's the plan from the outset, fair enough. If you genuinely have been happy to wait for his gardening leave to expire from day 1, crack on. 

 

However all the indications from news reports are that you're wanting us to fold like a pack of cards and let him leave early for a pittance, because of the 'allure' of him going to Man U. If that's the case I'd rather tell you to get fucked and let him rot in his garden.

 

Especially after how you allegedly behaved over Lingard.

 

There's nothing to suggest we want you to fold like a pack of cards. You want a fee which we think is excessive. Therefore we wait. Everything else is speculation. 

 

Ratcliffe may well have thought you'd have settled for less, but I doubt it. He's not stupid. Ashworth is a prized asset and he knew he would come at a premium, especially when you paid a relatively significant fee for him less than two years ago. 

 

I am glad you said allegedly with Lingard situation. But if it was true, you have to remember we have had absolute dummies in charge for ages. We could have got £6/7m for Lingard and let him rot instead while asking for £20m. That decision is why we're delighted at competent people being hired. 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, et tu brute said:

Especially the one posting on here 

 

Another poster blissfully unaware of his reputation. 

 

Don't worry, bigfella will be along to like your post shortly. 

[et tu brute]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Another poster blissfully unaware of his reputation. 

 

Don't worry, bigfella will be along to like your post shortly. 

For the third time, I don't give two fucks what you say 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, et tu brute said:

For the third time, I don't give two fucks what you say 

 

[Chris_R]

8 minutes ago, Froggy said:

There's nothing to suggest we want you to fold like a pack of cards. You want a fee which we think is excessive. Therefore we wait. Everything else is speculation. 

You may be right. But there was so much press noise at the time that it was hard to think this wasn't coming from somewhere, a leak from someone trying to force something. 

 

Speculation of course, but that's how it certainly felt. And I'm happy to speculate, this is an internet discussion forum after all, none of us are dealing entirely with only 100% confirmed facts.

[Decky]

Can someone explain to me exactly why Ashworth is so sought after? Why is he rated so highly above anyone else out there at the top level of football? This entire thing hasn't really bothered me outside of it being Man Utd trying to unsettle our plans because regardless of what Ashworth does, I'm fairly certain someone else will come in and we'll still get to where we want to be. Either we get £20 odd million for him or he rots for 2 years doing nothing while his replacement is taking us forward, and I'm happy enough with either scenario. 

With regards to giving someone like Ashworth to a rival I'm not arsed because they'd get someone of equal standing in anyway even if it wasn't him. The problem Man Utd have is that the Glazers still own the majority of the club and eventually it'll be a problem. Do you think we'd be on our upward trajectory now if PIF got 27% of Newcastle and Mike Ashley still owned the rest? Of course not. 

[simonsays]

3 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Surely not a juvenile response from you? I expected so much better

[Froggy]

5 minutes ago, simonsays said:

Surely not a juvenile response from you? I expected so much better

 

Nope, me and Mr. Brute have had this dance before hence his "for the third time." I was merely acknowledging what he said. 

[astraguy]

Ok I'm lost, they want Dan from us as a dof plus this geezer from Southampton? And whatever that dude from city did 

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, astraguy said:

Ok I'm lost, they want Dan from us as a dof plus this geezer from Southampton? And whatever that dude from city did 

 

Berrada - Chief Executive

Ashworth - Sporting Director

Wilcox - Technical Director

 

I think.

[Ben]

12 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Berrada - Chief Executive

Ashworth - Sporting Director

Wilcox - Technical Director

 

I think.

It looks like Liverpool might want Wilcox as well.

[Froggy]

3 minutes ago, Ben said:

It looks like Liverpool might want Wilcox as well.

 

Yeah I thought they had agreed a deal with him but maybe not. 

[andycap]

He's highly rated is wilcox might cost a lot of cash aswell as ashworth. 

[duo]

4 hours ago, Jack27 said:

Both, yes. 
 

Ashworth would be sporting director

Wilcox, technical director 

what is the difference?

[FLUMPO235]

3 hours ago, Decky said:

Can someone explain to me exactly why Ashworth is so sought after? Why is he rated so highly above anyone else out there at the top level of football? 

ashworth seems to be highly thought of by pretty much everyone he has ever worked with. That’s the impression you get from every interview or bit of info anyone ever has on him. He seems to be given the credit for

 everything from Brighton’s savvy business to Englands youth success. But there does seem to be a lack of detail in what he actually does. 

 

Putting 2 + 2 together, I suspect the guy is the worlds top mentalist/mind control expert.

 

ask anyone who rates him so highly to explain what it is he actually does and they are always a bit vague. Keep pushing and they gaze off into the distance. Their voice softens and they say in a hypnotic tone, Dan is like the centre of a wheel, there are 7 spokes radiating out from that wheel. Dan is the best sporting director, watch as the wheel turns, watch the wheel.

 

the guy has mind fucked everyone and is always sat on full pay in his garden. 

[Froggy]

The Athletic have done numerous articles on why Dan Ashworth is so sought after and what he has achieved at Newcastle in the short time he has been there. Just because he's leaving doesn't mean there's a need to try and downplay how important he is.

 

He's clearly one of the best, if not the best, in his class.