Shearergol Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 14 minutes ago, Ronson333 said: Let’s see if Almiron, Burn, Longstaff and Wilson are here after the summer. Just saying we need to be ruthless if we want to get to where we want to be. Can’t stop our progression because they are nice guys, we’re not going to be regular top 4 with these guys, need more ruthlessness. Eddie may be that guy, let’s see what happens in the summer. Of course Burn and Longstaff are going to be here. Are you expecting us to buy 14 new players in summer or something? that’s not on Howe. It’s on FFP, homegrown quotas and sensibilities Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I'll be shocked if Burn and Longstaff aren't here next season. We'll probably need Trippier and Burn to set the tone within that new "leadership group" with Lascalles, Ritchie and Wilson sll potentially off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 16 hours ago, Yorkie said: I wouldn't have a single issue with Howe being the kingpin when it comes to first team recruitment. I get that Sporting Directors are supposed to last longer than managers, and the theory - therefore - is that it would more logical for them to craft an identity and recruit based on that. That argument is of course flawed by the fact that our Sporting Director jumped ship after five fucking minutes. Just give Howe the keys to the kingdom. He knows what he's doing and whatever identity we're crafting is being built on his image anyway. Football just doesn’t work like that these days, certainly not at clubs that know what they’re doing when it comes to recruitment. There are so many layers to recruitment; I genuinely think the level of detail would blow people away if they knew what went into it. We’re talking several hundred hours watching a single player and checking various data points. It’s pretty much impossible these days for a manager/head coach to be involved at the initial ID stage due to what goes into it and there are plenty of processes to go through before you’d even involve the coaching staff, mainly because they simply do not have the time with everything else they have to contend with. Not saying Howe shouldn’t have any input but he shouldn’t be leading anything. Other people are employed to do that and it essentially frees the manager/head coach to do what they’re best at on the grass. He can contribute to the player profiles in each position and come up with some non-negotiables but it needs to be in conjunction with the club/Sporting Director/Director of Football. Regardless of what has happened with Ashworth, the overarching responsibility of recruitment needs to remain with or be handed to the next person through the door, working in tandem with the coaching staff but ultimately having the final say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ronson333 said: Let’s see if Almiron, Burn, Longstaff and Wilson are here after the summer. Just saying we need to be ruthless if we want to get to where we want to be. Can’t stop our progression because they are nice guys, we’re not going to be regular top 4 with these guys, need more ruthlessness. Eddie may be that guy, let’s see what happens in the summer. If FFP permits. I would keep all but 1 of these. And the one I would let go is Longstaff. We might be able to get some decent cash for him.. all FFP gold. Anderson & Miley can take his spot. Edited February 27 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Would imagine he would want the same here if we went for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Would imagine he would want the same here if we went for him Give it to him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 2 hours ago, SUPERTOON said: Would imagine he would want the same here if we went for him If he’s going to Liverpool he wants to take Richard Hughes from Bournemouth with him. Edited February 28 by lovejoy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Comes here after a word with buddy Eddie. Promptly sacks Eddie at seasons end. I would be amazing if we get him. Wonder what would could pay him in comparison to Liverpool and whether we are limited there as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 The i emphasising again, Edwards has not desire to return to front line football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 On 26/02/2024 at 18:51, Big Jow said: We do seem to be really good at having our valuations and sticking to them from a selling point. Can’t think of a single player who has left who I would’ve expected more for and if we start getting £20m for backroom staff we are taking the piss. St Maximin? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Just now, Holmesy said: St Maximin? Potentially undervalued, but not dramatically so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 Just now, The Prophet said: Potentially undervalued, but not dramatically so. I was genuinely shocked he went for so little. Proven PL door openers with end product are not easy to come by, and all of his best years should be ahead of him. And we sold him to a country that was chucking money about for fun. Feels like we had our pants pulled down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 15 hours ago, lovejoy said: If he’s going to Liverpool he wants to take Richard Hughes from Bournemouth with him. He wants to surround himself with pals from Bournemouth? What an idiot with his jobs for the boys! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 6 minutes ago, Holmesy said: I was genuinely shocked he went for so little. Proven PL door openers with end product are not easy to come by, and all of his best years should be ahead of him. And we sold him to a country that was chucking money about for fun. Feels like we had our pants pulled down I reckon we sold him for about 5 million less than was his value tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 10 minutes ago, Holmesy said: I was genuinely shocked he went for so little. Proven PL door openers with end product are not easy to come by, and all of his best years should be ahead of him. And we sold him to a country that was chucking money about for fun. Feels like we had our pants pulled down Think it would have been somewhat easy to negotiate his price down due to the injuries and the pretty ordinary ga numbers over his time here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 On 21/02/2024 at 19:44, Stifler said: I’m trying to start a petition to prevent the government from providing any public funds on a new stadium for Man Utd, or even a redevelopment. I need some signatures to get it started though. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/657662/sponsors/new?token=JzTj82z3AaDGRk0qMXSn The petition got rejected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 I do think the club went lower on Maxi purely to avoid a load of connected party scrutiny tbh. Even at the amount we got there were articles about murmurs of discontent from other PL clubs (which is of course an absolute joke if so). As with Supertoon, I think we lost out on at most £5-10m and like Kaka says, constantly injured with not the most amazing stats on paper could've swayed it. Would've been nice to have a bit extra to play with of course but nothing egregious imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, Holmesy said: I was genuinely shocked he went for so little. Proven PL door openers with end product are not easy to come by, and all of his best years should be ahead of him. And we sold him to a country that was chucking money about for fun. Feels like we had our pants pulled down But no one offered more. And I’m quite certain no one will pay Saudi more to bring him back to Europe. I love Maxi, but it’s pretty obvious that football clubs don’t value him the way some on here do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 2 hours ago, The Prophet said: The i emphasising again, Edwards has not desire to return to front line football. And if he did, he'd walk straight back to Liverpool. I don't know why some of our supporters are making eyes at him. He's not the one for us, let's look at realistic candidates who will be a good fit for Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jow Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 6 hours ago, Holmesy said: I was genuinely shocked he went for so little. Proven PL door openers with end product are not easy to come by, and all of his best years should be ahead of him. And we sold him to a country that was chucking money about for fun. Feels like we had our pants pulled down His end product isn’t good enough. His career high with us was 5 goals and 5 assists across a whole season, including cups. Final season he scored 1 goal. Incredibly exciting player to watch and he was also handicapped by us often not having finishers in the side but even still. For all the excitement, his return is only a smidge better than Miggy’s. He was a player we absolutely adored because he got us off our seat, the only player to do that since Ben Arfa but there isn’t any top PL clubs who would pay decent money for him due to the above. I’m sure some data nerd will come along to tell me his xG, xA or xZ was actually 30 goals and assists but the team let him down, but I don’t think anyone valued him like we did. I agree maybe £5m more would be reasonable though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 The club is playing nice and safe with all the rules introduced to stop us. Nothing we've done has been challenged. I guess the club has seen that as a success. I think we should be pushing the boundaries hard. Let's go to arbitration, let's go to court, let's debate. Let's show we have deep pockets and stamina to get what we want. Playing nice has no upside until niceties are returned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 8 hours ago, wormy said: He wants to surround himself with pals from Bournemouth? What an idiot with his jobs for the boys! 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 8 hours ago, Stifler said: The petition got rejected. thank fuck for that 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Prophet Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 ...but I was reliably informed Howe constantly overrules him in pursuit of his own interests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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