alexf Posted Monday at 22:19 Share Posted Monday at 22:19 25 minutes ago, Monters said: Genuinely confused why you want this? I’m an older supporter, played to a good standard back in the day so probably a dinosaur but a big strong keeper who catches / clears crosses and makes great saves will always earn you more points than some wannabe midfielder that jumps out the way of hard shots. our friends down the road had one years ago Sorensen… decent with his feet but shit scared of the ball Sorry should have clarified, I'm not claiming I want this, I'm assuming this is the club/Howe's thinking as we have been getting linked with a new goalkeeper since last summer. Maybe we're looking for a new number two but the fact we were after that Marmadashvili that Liverpool signed I would assume we are after a new number 1. Again I don't think there's any issues with Popes shot stopping, sweeping or claiming corners. He's one of the very best. But it seems perhaps the club wants to maybe cash in potentially as Howe keeps saying trading is a necessity nowadays and also perhaps they prefer to go down a route like arsenal did by switching to someone like Raya. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted Monday at 22:22 Share Posted Monday at 22:22 26 minutes ago, Monters said: I’m also mystified how anyone could watch the Everton game and think keeper is our problem! I’m not arrogant enough to think I know better than the club so if they decide to go for a new keeper I’ll support and wind my neck in but until then. I truly believe we have more urgent improvements to make. I mean there were a couple of times when he got the ball, had plenty of time to pass to someone, waited for the Everton attacker to close him down, then hoof it into the crowd. When you need a win on the final day for Champions League football and are at either 0-0 or are 1-0 down, it’s kind of a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monters Posted Monday at 22:25 Share Posted Monday at 22:25 Just now, Stifler said: I mean there were a couple of times when he got the ball, had plenty of time to pass to someone, waited for the Everton attacker to close him down, then hoof it into the crowd. When you need a win on the final day for Champions League football and are at either 0-0 or are 1-0 down, it’s kind of a problem. There was more times when he stopped being 0 v 3. There was also more times we gave it away in midfield and upfront and had centre halves out of position and struggling to read simple knock downs but yep keeper is the big problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monters Posted Monday at 22:29 Share Posted Monday at 22:29 Club can spend its money however it likes, I’ll never not support anyone brought in but if it was my budget there would be a lot of squad improvements I would try to make before dumping Pope. Thankful it’s not up to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted Monday at 22:49 Share Posted Monday at 22:49 Keeper is one of the most important positions and I think it’s fairly obvious we need an upgrade in all honesty. I don’t think anyone would suggest a ‘midfielder’ who isn’t good at shot stopping or coming out for crosses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Monday at 23:28 Share Posted Monday at 23:28 1 hour ago, Monters said: I assume you are saying Allison, Raya & Ederson? I’ll concede the first, argue the second but the third is finished in my humble opinion. As always apologies if assumptions are wrong Allison, Raya - maybe Martinez. And he just ducked it for his team and is perhaps a weaker shot stopper. He’s thrown in a few this season. The rest I think you give and take something. Ederson is a far inferior shot stopper and doesn’t command his box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted Tuesday at 01:40 Share Posted Tuesday at 01:40 3 hours ago, Monters said: It is but a what cost? We have lots of improvements to make, if the out field ten can’t keep the ball replace them! What good is a keeper chucking them in but splitting the lines to a midfielder who gives it away? But that isn't the choice that we have to make. No goalkeeper we sign is going to be chucking the ball in the net, any of them would be of an extremely high standard of shot stopping. It's not just line breaking passes that Pope can't do, if that was his only issue that would actually not be so bad. But there's a big hole in his game when the ball is at his feet. His first touch is pretty poor, it takes him far to long to get the ball under control, he's incapable of lofting a ball out wide to a winger or fullback and his long kicking is some of the most inaccurate in the league. It's not like he saves every shot that comes at him, if he did, these flaws would be worth the downsides, but he's not that good you can overlook everything else. I like Pope, I feel as if I'm having a go at him and becoming a bit "old man shouts at cloud" talking about how goalkeepers need to be able to use their feet but he's in the very same boat as players like Lascelles and Longstaff for me, excellent players for our club, undeniably still capable of playing Premier League football, they've been part of some of the greatest moments and seasons we've ever had, but you can't hold onto the them just because it's easy to do so. He has to go for his own good and ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted Tuesday at 05:00 Share Posted Tuesday at 05:00 6 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Who in the league is as dominant at crosses, shot stopping and is better with their feet. Definitively I think there’s 2 or 3. Everyone else you take something and lose something. Sanchez seems to get pelters at Chelsea, yet he's had the best shots saved % this season by quite a distance, had the second best % for crosses successfully claimed, second highest for sweeping up and top 6 for passing out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted Tuesday at 05:01 Share Posted Tuesday at 05:01 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: Sanchez seems to get pelters at Chelsea, yet he's had the best shots saved % this season by quite a distance, had the second best % for crosses successfully claimed, second highest for sweeping up and top 6 for passing out. Has an unreasonable amount of bombscare moments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted Tuesday at 05:06 Share Posted Tuesday at 05:06 3 minutes ago, David Edgar said: Has an unreasonable amount of bombscare moments. Yet they've just finished 4th with the 3rd best defensive record in the league, not far off what Liverpool & Man City conceded. It's only Arsenal who were way ahead. Maybe we have to accept that keepers have those moments? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted Tuesday at 05:18 Share Posted Tuesday at 05:18 Let’s not also forget that last two seasons Pope has missed too many games for a GK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted Tuesday at 05:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 05:33 27 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Yet they've just finished 4th with the 3rd best defensive record in the league, not far off what Liverpool & Man City conceded. It's only Arsenal who were way ahead. Maybe we have to accept that keepers have those moments? Yeah. But what I said explains why he gets pelters from the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted Tuesday at 05:42 Share Posted Tuesday at 05:42 7 hours ago, Monters said: There was more times when he stopped being 0 v 3. There was also more times we gave it away in midfield and upfront and had centre halves out of position and struggling to read simple knock downs but yep keeper is the big problem. Well said. Pope had an excellent game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Tuesday at 08:21 Share Posted Tuesday at 08:21 3 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Yet they've just finished 4th with the 3rd best defensive record in the league, not far off what Liverpool & Man City conceded. It's only Arsenal who were way ahead. Maybe we have to accept that keepers have those moments? Chelsea play a controlled game and concede few chances. Their ‘expected goals conceded’ is among the lowest. Sanchez isn’t a busy keeper yet he kept throwing them in. He’s not that great on the ball either. Better than Pope though aye. I wouldn’t swap Sanchez for Pope personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted Tuesday at 10:06 Share Posted Tuesday at 10:06 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Chelsea play a controlled game and concede few chances. Their ‘expected goals conceded’ is among the lowest. Sanchez isn’t a busy keeper yet he kept throwing them in. He’s not that great on the ball either. Better than Pope though aye. I wouldn’t swap Sanchez for Pope personally. Also helps that he's one of the top 2 for dealing with crosses and sweeping up, as well as one of the top 6 for playing out. Does a helluva lot to reduce the amount of good chances he faces, and he has the best shots saved % in the whole league out of the regular starters. I'd say all of that combined would account to way fewer goals conceded than if say he dropped 3-4 bollocks a season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted Tuesday at 14:10 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:10 Not for me like. He was causing havoc with their teams confidence in defence. Not all the clangers resulted in goals but it impacted the team. Many Chelsea fans wanted him dropped for that influence. I think he may have been dropped once for Petrovic or whatever and he came in and stunk it out worse. https://www.theshedend.com/topic/36171-robert-sanchez-joins-chelsea/#comments Go to any random page. 90% of them think he’s shit, makes regular mistakes and we saw when we played them recently - his kicking is 4 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Also helps that he's one of the top 2 for dealing with crosses and sweeping up, as well as one of the top 6 for playing out. Does a helluva lot to reduce the amount of good chances he faces, and he has the best shots saved % in the whole league out of the regular starters. I'd say all of that combined would account to way fewer goals conceded than if say he dropped 3-4 bollocks a season? highly hit and miss. They want him replaced. There are genuine debates there whether Ramsdale would be an improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted Tuesday at 14:22 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:22 16 hours ago, Monters said: I’m also mystified how anyone could watch the Everton game and think keeper is our problem! I’m not arrogant enough to think I know better than the club so if they decide to go for a new keeper I’ll support and wind my neck in but until then. I truly believe we have more urgent improvements to make. His lack of distribution is a huge problem. Teams with good goalies almost have the effect of having an extra outfield player at times - it's been really evident in some games against us this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted Tuesday at 14:23 Share Posted Tuesday at 14:23 This is a Chelsea fan base who booed the keeper for passing the ball from a goal-kick at 0-1 home to Ipswich, kicked long instead, Ipswich won the header and they went and made it 0-2. Possibly a sign of weakness mind that he's swayed by the home support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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