Danh1 Posted yesterday at 06:45 Share Posted yesterday at 06:45 12 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: Based on vibes I reckon you can probably take half of the waiting list away due to people who won’t pay up when their turn comes or keep their membership active. People are fickle. It’s easy to sign up to a free waiting list. Fully agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted yesterday at 06:56 Share Posted yesterday at 06:56 19 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: Based on vibes I reckon you can probably take half of the waiting list away due to people who won’t pay up when their turn comes or keep their membership active. People are fickle. It’s easy to sign up to a free waiting list. The club were lauding “applicants from all over the world” in the press release, wonder what those applicants would have done next if they’d got lucky and then had to present ID at the box office to secure their ticket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted yesterday at 07:02 Share Posted yesterday at 07:02 5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: The club were lauding “applicants from all over the world” in the press release, wonder what those applicants would have done next if they’d got lucky and then had to present ID at the box office to secure their ticket. I'm sure John O Hare and that lass from the FAB would have got lucky. YEWCHOOBAS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted yesterday at 07:31 Share Posted yesterday at 07:31 Applicants from all over the world who have to attend SJP every fortnight is an interesting one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted yesterday at 07:34 Share Posted yesterday at 07:34 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Applicants from all over the world who have to attend SJP every fortnight is an interesting one. Club should have screened that one out straight away. I’m sure the 5,000 members in touting sweatshops in Pune and Dhaka are rubbing their hands together at the thought of being able to sit next to 63 year old Whinging Walter in the Gallowgate Middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted yesterday at 07:36 Share Posted yesterday at 07:36 Just now, Nucasol said: Club should have screened that one out straight away. I’m sure the 5,000 members in touting sweatshops in Pune and Dhaka are rubbing their hands together at the thought of being able to sit next to 63 year old Whinging Walter in the Gallowgate Middle. Or they could be fans who are working abroad with a view to returning home? Two sides and all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted yesterday at 07:37 Share Posted yesterday at 07:37 TBF if I lived abroad I would still buy a ST and let someone else use it in case I ever came back. Not allowed technically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted yesterday at 07:42 Share Posted yesterday at 07:42 3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: TBF if I lived abroad I would still buy a ST and let someone else use it in case I ever came back. Not allowed technically. It’s allowed up to 9 times, so probably feasible, depending on how far away you were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted yesterday at 07:43 Share Posted yesterday at 07:43 5 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Or they could be fans who are working abroad with a view to returning home? Two sides and all that. Agree but should be exceptions granted on that basis rather than an “anyone, anywhere” policy. Has the potential to lead to yet more gatekeeping by people taking the piss against the spirit of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted yesterday at 07:57 Share Posted yesterday at 07:57 26 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Applicants from all over the world who have to attend SJP every fortnight is an interesting one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted yesterday at 08:00 Share Posted yesterday at 08:00 (edited) 33 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Or they could be fans who are working abroad with a view to returning home? Two sides and all that. Fans working abroad, who have applied for enough games over the last couple of seasons to give their application even the slimmest chance of success (Pot 1 or 2), then if they were one of the chosen 250 would commit to buying a ST if offered one, because they're returning home. That's a niche, on a niche, on a niche, on a niche. It'd be about 5 people at the very most. Whereas the model for large scale touting of Premier League football tickets is built around touting operations based overseas signing up for thousands of membership accounts. You do the math. Edited yesterday at 08:09 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted yesterday at 08:08 Share Posted yesterday at 08:08 25 minutes ago, SteV said: It’s allowed up to 9 times, so probably feasible, depending on how far away you were. Across the world was the exact wording used in the presser. That sounds a bit further away than Amsterdam or Dublin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted yesterday at 08:10 Share Posted yesterday at 08:10 6 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: Fans working abroad, who have applied for enough games over the last couple of seasons to give their application even the slimmest chance of success (Pot 1 or 2), then if they were one of the chosen 250 would commit to buying a ST if offered one, because they're returning home. That's a niche, on a niche, on a niche, on a niche. It'd be about 5 people at the very most. Whereas the model for large scale touting of Premier League football tickets is largely built around touting operations based overseas signing up for membership accounts. You do the math. Exactly, so you feel that niche should be blocked? Given a touter would generally be in a lower tier they also wouldn't get one either. Also, with some vigilance from the fans a touted season ticket wouldn't last a term as I'd expect the fans surrounded said touted ticket would soon report it to the club if a different person showed up every other week. Regardless of all of the above we will continue to have a crabs in the barrel mentality until we build a stadium big enough to cater for everyone who wants to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted yesterday at 08:13 Share Posted yesterday at 08:13 Just now, bobbydazzla said: Across the world was the exact wording used in the presser. That sounds a bit further away than Amsterdam or Dublin. Yes, Brett from Ohio having a season ticket does not seem particularly feasible, but Bobby from Belfast probably is. I will say though, I suspect these ‘new’ ST’s will be subject to a fair bit more scrutiny than your average one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted yesterday at 08:17 Share Posted yesterday at 08:17 (edited) 11 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Exactly, so you feel that niche should be blocked? Given a touter would generally be in a lower tier they also wouldn't get one either. Also, with some vigilance from the fans a touted season ticket wouldn't last a term as I'd expect the fans surrounded said touted ticket would soon report it to the club if a different person showed up every other week. Regardless of all of the above we will continue to have a crabs in the barrel mentality until we build a stadium big enough to cater for everyone who wants to go. Nope, I don't think that niche should be blocked and I didn't say it should be blocked. What I think is that the club shouldn't be making a big deal about applications from across the world, when we all know that we've got a fuckload of active touting accounts based overseas. I hope they contacted those global based accounts who applied and politely asked them to explain their circumstances and how they would get to Newcastle every couple of weeks. Could have been an easy way to strip out a load of touts, even if they're free to sign up again unvetted next season. Touts would be in an upper tier, they want a ticket for every game so they can sell it. They'll apply for every ballot and use bots for every General Sale. A tout who isn't in Pot 1 is a shit tout. And how would the fans in the seats nearby to the touted season ticket that was being touted, know that it was a season ticket ? They'd just think it was a general sale seat with different people every week. Edited yesterday at 08:21 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted yesterday at 08:21 Share Posted yesterday at 08:21 1 minute ago, bobbydazzla said: Nope, I don't think that niche should be blocked and I didn't say said it should be blocked. What I think is that the club shouldn't be making a big deal about applications from across the world, when we all know that we've got a fuckload of active touting accounts based overseas. I hope they contacted those accounts and politely asked them to explain their circumstances and how they would get to Newcastle every couple of weeks. Could have been an easy way to strip out a load of touts, even if they're free to sign up again unvetted next season. Touts would be in an upper tier, they want a ticket for every game so they can sell it. They'll apply for every ballot and use bots for every General Sales. And how would the fans in the seat around the season ticket that was being touted, know that it was a season ticket ? They'd just think it was a general sale seat with different people every week. I'm not sure how this stops touting though? If a tout can afford a multi client set up to apply im sure they can also afford a VPN? I agree with you about the touting issue in general and I hope the club does everything it can to stop it, genuine fans deserve the seat imo. That being said, none of this gets solved at our current ground given capacity constraints, we need a stadium to cater to the demand if we have that then this problem goes away as the margin disappears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted yesterday at 08:28 Share Posted yesterday at 08:28 (edited) 9 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I'm not sure how this stops touting though? If a tout can afford a multi client set up to apply im sure they can also afford a VPN? I agree with you about the touting issue in general and I hope the club does everything it can to stop it, genuine fans deserve the seat imo. That being said, none of this gets solved at our current ground given capacity constraints, we need a stadium to cater to the demand if we have that then this problem goes away as the margin disappears. It doesn't stop touting, but it sends a stronger message that they're doing something about it, rather than opening their season ticket waiting list press release with a "hey guys, isn't it great, people from all over the world applied for a season ticket" They are fucking awful at reading the room when it comes to ticketing and touting. And agree that a bigger ground is a big step to solving it. If capacity is slightly over our typical level of demand then for most games there's face value tickets available for everyone and tout activity would become pointless apart from the very highest profile games. And they'd be the easiest games to police by setting prior purchase criteria eligibility. Edited yesterday at 08:31 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted yesterday at 08:56 Share Posted yesterday at 08:56 (edited) Think the club aren't reading the room particularly well when it comes to corporate seating/tickets. They've hiked the prices, year on year, but don't seem to realise this isn't London and most of the users of this space are not 'corporate' in the traditional sense, they're just savvy local business owners with a few quid to spend. I know of at least 3 'companies' walking away from their 'corporate' seats this season because they're not happy with the price hikes and have spoken to a couple more who won't tolerate much more of a % increase. Whilst there's a waiting list for boxes (a long one at that), I don't think they really 'get' what 'corporate' really means in the context of Newcastle and local business owners. They're generally not blokes in suits spending other peoples money for entertainment purposes, they tend to be local business owners who understand the value of a pound. I don't see Google, Nike, BT etc fighting amongst themselves for a table in the same room as Hopkinson and Co. in the way they might be if this was a Chelsea/Arsenal/Spurs tbh. If you look at Wembley's corporate offering, virtually every sale is to a massive brand (understandably too given the location/prestige of the games there) but NUFC will never have that demand imho. Edited yesterday at 09:00 by Minhosa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted yesterday at 09:00 Share Posted yesterday at 09:00 1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: TBF if I lived abroad I would still buy a ST and let someone else use it in case I ever came back. Not allowed technically. Is it not? I’m pretty sure many people do already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted yesterday at 09:01 Share Posted yesterday at 09:01 (edited) 1 minute ago, LFEE said: Is it not? I’m pretty sure many people do already. You can transfer a certain number of tickets can’t you? But you can’t let someone else basically use the ST instead of you. Obviously loads of people will be doing it, but I don’t think it’s actually allowed. And again there are no ID checks, so who knows. Edited yesterday at 09:02 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted yesterday at 09:07 Share Posted yesterday at 09:07 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: You can transfer a certain number of tickets can’t you? But you can’t let someone else basically use the ST instead of you. Obviously you’d hope they would attend 50% with planned returned holidays coinciding with a batch of home games. The point I was making it is allowed. If you’ve a physical ticket you probably could get away with attending any Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted yesterday at 09:29 Share Posted yesterday at 09:29 21 minutes ago, LFEE said: Obviously you’d hope they would attend 50% with planned returned holidays coinciding with a batch of home games. The point I was making it is allowed. If you’ve a physical ticket you probably could get away with attending any But it isn't allowed? Transferring some individual matches is allowed. Buying an ST for someone else to babysit for you isn't. Not that there's any real difference in practice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted yesterday at 09:49 Share Posted yesterday at 09:49 18 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: But it isn't allowed? Transferring some individual matches is allowed. Buying an ST for someone else to babysit for you isn't. Not that there's any real difference in practice. You tell me you seem to know. It certainly goes on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted yesterday at 10:03 Share Posted yesterday at 10:03 Probably been mentioned already but we applied for the two ST 6691 6692 She'll fuck me off and go on her own in 2052 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted yesterday at 10:17 Share Posted yesterday at 10:17 In regards to the fans all over the world issue, what you do if they get a season ticket is remind them that there will be ID checks, so to bring ID with them. If they do get a season ticket, you set their account up for ID checks for a period of time to make sure it is them attending the games. I think we’ll also possibly move along to facial recognition at some point in the future as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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