KaKa Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Contradicted yourself a bit. The key thing is salary. We've finished above Man U once in the history of the PL - thanks to Isak. We've not finished above Arsenal in the league for how many years? If they pay the money, Isak would entertain it. Depends on how far we are willing to go with our offer. He'll most likely go abroad to a better club that can pay what an Arsenal or Man Utd will if we are way off. You can talk history all you want, but those days are over. There's no more PFMs filling the majority of all the other clubs, and it's far more difficult to get players off other Prem clubs due to the very high fees. All these so called 'big clubs' need to wake up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: Depends on how far we are willing to go with our offer. He'll most likely go abroad to a better club that can pay what an Arsenal or Man Utd will if we are way off. You can talk history all you want, but those days are over. There's no more PFMs filling the majority of all the other clubs, and it's far more difficult to get players off other Prem clubs due to the very high fees. All these so called 'big clubs' need to wake up. Who can afford him abroad in Europe? PSG, Real maybe Bayern. There’s as many options in the PL as the whole of Europe. The fee is dependent on our FFP and other PL clubs FFP. We should’ve signed him up again last summer. Now the wage demands are probably untenable but let’s hope. We don’t seem too pressed to get it done like we did with Gordon. I think the club might want to sell him in 2026. He’ll have £20m left of his amortisation costs. Massive accounting profits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Who can afford him abroad in Europe? PSG, Real maybe Bayern. There’s as many options in the PL as the whole of Europe. The fee is dependent on our FFP and other PL clubs FFP. We should’ve signed him up again last summer. Now the wage demands are probably untenable but let’s hope. We don’t seem too pressed to get it done like we did with Gordon. I think the club might want to sell him in 2026. He’ll have £20m left of his amortisation costs. Massive accounting profits. That will be because Gordon didn't have that long left whereas Isak still has 3.5 years remaining It would be nice if we can get him on a new deal in the summer just to end speculation but we will still have the luxury of 3 years left Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, Geordie Ahmed said: That will be because Gordon didn't have that long left whereas Isak still has 3.5 years remaining It would be nice if we can get him on a new deal in the summer just to end speculation but we will still have the luxury of 3 years left True. But we are at a point where Isak is underpaid and if he wants to stay, he would want a new contract on better terms. From the little i've heard/read Isak is more keen on a new contract than us. Which is somewhat positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 15 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Who can afford him abroad in Europe? PSG, Real maybe Bayern. There’s as many options in the PL as the whole of Europe. The fee is dependent on our FFP and other PL clubs FFP. We should’ve signed him up again last summer. Now the wage demands are probably untenable but let’s hope. We don’t seem too pressed to get it done like we did with Gordon. I think the club might want to sell him in 2026. He’ll have £20m left of his amortisation costs. Massive accounting profits. I'm throwing Barca in there too because they will somehow pull off some dodgy manoeuvre to pull the money out of thin air. Honestly, the only PL club I think is crazy enough to put the money down is Chelsea. They came sniffing around in the summer, during our PSR issues, but were not happy with the £120 million valuation. But even they are being very strict about their wages now, and have have introduced a wage cap apparently, which is why they didn't sign Osimhen. They were only willing to pay him £175k a week I think it was. If we qualify for the Champions League it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. I do agree if he doesn't sign, but we keep him, we'll have to sell in summer 2026. When that time comes I think it will be abroad to one of those you mentioned or Barca. Edited January 13 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: True. But we are at a point where Isak is underpaid and if he wants to stay, he would want a new contract on better terms. From the little i've heard/read Isak is more keen on a new contract than us. Which is somewhat positive. Yeah, the talk was that his side was open to it. However, there was talk of a release clause being added. We'll need to be smart about the valuation we agree to for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 The way I’ve got to know Isak through the years gives me hope that he will sign a new contract. He’s very chill and laid back and a comfy guy in general. He’s not all “look at me look at me bling bling it’s all about image and money. I’m sure he will get a great wage and sign a new contract. Unless we are somehow even more fucked and restricted by PSR further ahead so we can’t grow at least reasonably ambitiously even if slower than the club thought (before new rules) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Barca would be the most likely of the bunch imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Bayern in another season to replace Kane if we are not back in the champions league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) What's the story with his hamstring injury? Haven't heard a thing about it. Edit: just seen it's not expected to be that serious. Edited January 13 by Decky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 23 minutes ago, Nine said: Barca would be the most likely of the bunch imo Still not registered Olmo. Dont see how they can afford £120m+ and wages. 29 minutes ago, Ikon said: The way I’ve got to know Isak through the years gives me hope that he will sign a new contract. He’s very chill and laid back and a comfy guy in general. He’s not all “look at me look at me bling bling it’s all about image and money. I’m sure he will get a great wage and sign a new contract. Unless we are somehow even more fucked and restricted by PSR further ahead so we can’t grow at least reasonably ambitiously even if slower than the club thought (before new rules) Don’t have to be ‘bling bling’ to get paid the amount other professionals of your quality do. Weird post. Like i said, the club don’t seem to be in a rush which is a bad omen imo for him being here beyond 2026. I guess the club may want to see where we are financially come the summer. I assume the club haven’t decided whether we will break up the band and rebuild or attempt to find a way to build on what we already have. Things change Quickly. But for most of the last 18 months we’ve been 2-4 players away from being a serious team. GK, RW, RCB + ST/another quality player. And keep who we want. That team challenges well in all fronts. I hope PIF think ‘let’s keep the core of this and build’ and find levers to make that a reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 We are not a well fanbase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: We are not a well fanbase. You're just coming to this conclusion now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) @The College Dropout oh the irony about using the word weird… I was talking about his personality and lifestyle. He’s not that type. I didn’t say he will stay here and don’t care about money at all, as in signing a new contract at say a “low” 150k/week. What I’m saying is that he can get and will be offered a very good competitive wage (most likely). But I don’t see him going to another club just because of a slightly higher wage or for reasons like wanting to play for a more flashy club mainly. I don’t know our ability in the market going forward, but IF we can be reasonably competitive and ambitious in the market going forward then I think he will stay and sign a competitive much better contract. Because he will see that we can get forward, and we have a really really good base to build on from. But he will most likely want some assurances of what way we are heading, or allowed to head towards. He’s settled and in a good environment atm. I think there only gonna be a very very few clubs he’s willing to go now, if he decides to leave. Not many of them will afford him. Edited January 13 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 minutes ago, Ikon said: @The College Dropout oh the irony about using the word weird… I was talking about his personality and lifestyle. He’s not that type. I didn’t say he will stay here and don’t care about money at all, as in signing a new contract at say a “low” 150k/week. What I’m saying is that he can get and will be offered a very good competitive wage (most likely). But I don’t see him going to another club just because of a slightly higher wage or for reasons like wanting to play for a more flashy club mainly. I don’t know our ability in the market going forward, but IF we can be reasonably competitive and ambitious in the market going forward then I think he will stay and sign a competitive much better contract. Because he will see that we can get forward, and we have a really really good base to build on from. But he will most likely want some assurances of what way we are heading, or allowed to head towards. He’s settled and in a good environment atm. I think there only gonna be a very very few clubs he’s willing to go now, if he decides to leave. Not many of them will afford him. ^ @Ikon has the local knowledge on Isak, fyi. From what I recall, both sides are interested but aren't going to do it yet and are getting this season sorted (I also assume waiting for the right accounting window too for PSR nerds). If we keep playing like this, I really think its less about him leaving and more about him shooting us to the top of the table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 It's a fucking riot in here today, ain't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Ikon said: @The College Dropout oh the irony about using the word weird… I was talking about his personality and lifestyle. He’s not that type. I didn’t say he will stay here and don’t care about money at all, as in signing a new contract at say a “low” 150k/week. What I’m saying is that he can get and will be offered a very good competitive wage (most likely). But I don’t see him going to another club just because of a slightly higher wage or for reasons like wanting to play for a more flashy club mainly. I don’t know our ability in the market going forward, but IF we can be reasonably competitive and ambitious in the market going forward then I think he will stay and sign a competitive much better contract. Because he will see that we can get forward, and we have a really really good base to build on from. But he will most likely want some assurances of what way we are heading, or allowed to head towards. He’s settled and in a good environment atm. I think there only gonna be a very very few clubs he’s willing to go now, if he decides to leave. Not many of them will afford him. We'll have to pay him close to the going rate. That's likely to be in a new stratosphere for us let's say 200-275k. If we aren't willing to get close, bling bling boy or comfy chill guy - he'll want off. It is what it is. I just wish this team could land a Cup and give the CL another go. It's possible. Edited January 13 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 29 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Still not registered Olmo. Dont see how they can afford £120m+ and wages. Don’t have to be ‘bling bling’ to get paid the amount other professionals of your quality do. Weird post. Like i said, the club don’t seem to be in a rush which is a bad omen imo for him being here beyond 2026. I guess the club may want to see where we are financially come the summer. I assume the club haven’t decided whether we will break up the band and rebuild or attempt to find a way to build on what we already have. Things change Quickly. But for most of the last 18 months we’ve been 2-4 players away from being a serious team. GK, RW, RCB + ST/another quality player. And keep who we want. That team challenges well in all fronts. I hope PIF think ‘let’s keep the core of this and build’ and find levers to make that a reality. Can you break this down please. It's something that doesn't get discussed often enough on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) 11 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: We'll have to pay him close to the going rate. That's likely to be in a new stratosphere for us let's say 200-275k. If we aren't willing to get close, bling bling boy or comfy chill guy - he'll want off. It is what it is. I just wish this team could land a Cup and give the CL another go. It's possible. I’m pretty certain that we will offer him 200k+. They will know how vital he is for us if we aim to fight at the top end. Only way we will sell him is if the price is beyond ridiculous and for the greater good. Depending on our FFP situation. Even then I think we don’t want to. Putting squad depth a side and the lack of quality there, we are only 3 players away from almost certainly competing for top 5 on a more consistent basis. (Cementing) Obviously need to add more quality in depth too with younger quality players. Thats why I feel the club will break the bank for Isak and build around him, because we aren’t that far away from looking extremely strong. First team wise at least. So might not need/want to sell him for “the greater good” Edited January 13 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 5 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Can you break this down please. It's something that doesn't get discussed often enough on here. Just what i've read in reports. I think there were some discussions earlier in the summer/spring of 24 but reports were the club were ok with how things are. They spoke to Isak around the time Gordon's contract was being negotiated. As Isak has a long time left on his contract. Gordon signed and talks with Isak haven't been reported as being advanced or seen as a priority. My assumption is - if the club were certain Isak was at the centre of the project over the next few years, it would be a priority and we would've got it signed around the time the Gordon deal was signed. Again, I assume the club want to wait and see on multiple fronts - safe in the knowledge we could get a great fee for Isak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 3 minutes ago, Ikon said: I’m pretty certain that we will offer him 200k+. They will know how vital he is for us if we aim to fight at the top end. Only way we will sell him is if the price is beyond ridiculous and for the greater good. Depending on our FFP situation. Even then I think we don’t want to. Putting squad depth a side and the lack of quality there, we are only 3 players away from almost certainly competing for top 5 on a more consistent basis. (Cementing) Obviously need to add more quality in depth too with younger quality players. Thats why I feel the club will break the bank for Isak and build around him, because we aren’t that far away from looking extremely strong. First team wise at least. So might not need/want to sell him for “the greater good” What makes you certain of this? Why do you think we haven't we offered him that already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Just now, The College Dropout said: What makes you certain of this? Why do you think we haven't we offered him that already? I said why in my post. You should read it 👍 Because he still has a long contract. No rush from the club or Isak at this moment in time. It’s best for the club as well as Isak to to not rush it. We don’t know what we’ve offered or not offered, if at all. I’m sure there’s been loose talks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 2 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I never know how much players value things like signing for a club where they’ll win trophies and how much they value just being somewhere where they’re adored, comfortable and playing good football. Guess ideally they want both, and it varies for each player. But it’s not like every good player in the world can sign for Real Madrid. Right character, it carries a lot during their early to mid 20s. It's when Isak is around 28 he'll want to move to an elite side if he's at top of his game and we don't look like offering the major trophies. I've got no concern on him leaving any time soon. Fully expect him to sign a new contract in summer that puts him close to £200k (with some bonuses) and if we don't bring the trophies by 2028, he'll be wanting a move and that's fair. Should be 2+1 left on his contract at that point, where if he's at top of his game, £80m fee would be fair and we've had like 5 seasons of his enjoyment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) Am sick of the press pushing Arsenal link - they've not won a title in 20+ years. Give over man. Edited January 13 by duo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 13 minutes ago, duo said: Am sick of the press pushing Arsenal link - they've not won a title in 20+ years. Give over man. I'm more like He isn't going there so who cares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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