Alexander Isak

[BoSelecta]

Froggy’s point assumes Isak has peaked and Hojlund can reach similar levels. Isak isn’t even close to what he could do, we’ve seen flashes; his ceiling is absolutely ridiculous. 

[Ikon]

3 minutes ago, BoSelecta said:

Froggy’s point assumes Isak has peaked and Hojlund can reach similar levels. Isak isn’t even close to what he could do, we’ve seen flashes; his ceiling is absolutely ridiculous. 

Aye, still so much more to come. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Hojlund looks a capable player once he develops a bit but I don’t think he’ll even be in the same universe as Isak will be. Or even is now. 
 

Doesn’t mean he won’t be pretty good though. 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 09:41 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Conjo]

12 minutes ago, BoSelecta said:

Froggy’s point assumes Isak has peaked and Hojlund can reach similar levels. Isak isn’t even close to what he could do, we’ve seen flashes; his ceiling is absolutely ridiculous. 

 

Guess it depends a bit on what you put into reaching a ceiling. I don't expect a player at 25, whos been playing top level football regularly for the last 7 years to suddenly become a better player. I think we've seen Isaks ceiling.

 

For me its more the hope and belief that this and the next 5-8 seasons he'll be able to consistently perform close to his ceiling.

[Holloway]

well he could start burying those one on one's for starters

[Erikse]

51 minutes ago, Conjo said:

I think Højlund will become a great striker if Amorim against the odds miraculously turns Man Utd around from top to bottom, or if Højlund somehow can get away from Man Utd asap. He was one of the most promising strikers in the world, and is still young. I was desperate for us to be in for him before Man Utd slapped an obscene amount of money on the table for him. 

 

I don't think its unreasonable to say Højlund was ahead of Isak at the same age at 19. In theory he can become better than Isak who should be (and seems to be) in his prime now at 25, but time is running out fast. Unless something changes dramatically, I don't think its unreasonable to assume Højlund won't reach the level of Isak.

 

You just made me agree with froggy. Disaster.

[Sibierski]

50 minutes ago, Conjo said:

I think Højlund will become a great striker if Amorim against the odds miraculously turns Man Utd around from top to bottom, or if Højlund somehow can get away from Man Utd asap. He was one of the most promising strikers in the world, and is still young. I was desperate for us to be in for him before Man Utd slapped an obscene amount of money on the table for him. 

 

I don't think its unreasonable to say Højlund was ahead of Isak at the same age at 19. In theory he can become better than Isak who should be (and seems to be) in his prime now at 25, but time is running out fast. Unless something changes dramatically, I don't think its unreasonable to assume Højlund won't reach the level of Isak.

How many strikers have we seen in the game that have looked good at young age because of their physicality and what you see is what you end up getting. Loads. Too often people will see all young players as room to grow etc when they have the physical attributes early doors.

 

Like Haaland, he’s the exact same player as he was 36 months ago. Top goalscorer, but still a lot to his game that lacks which you would’ve assumed would improve by now. 

[Erikse]

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, Erikse said:

You just made me agree with froggy. Disaster.

 

Everyone does mate, it's just whether they're big enough or not to admit it.

[Zero]

I simply think they are different types of player and hard to compare. 

[Froggy]

2 minutes ago, Zero said:

I simply think they are different types of player and hard to compare. 

 

There is no comparing Isak and Hojlund in any way.  Isak is miles better at this moment in time

 

There was just a little chat about overpaying/investing in potential that's all, and I addressed people downplaying Hojlunds potential by comparing him to Isak at the same age, which IMO is a fair comparison.

 

Do I think Hojlund could be as good as or better than Isak? Yes. Do I think he will be? No. Certainly not unless Amorim can change this shit show.

[Sean]

We weren't really paying for potential with Isak though - hence he was able to come in and put in that performance against Liverpool despite hardly even training with the team. 

[enthusiast]

it really makes me regret ravaging my short-term memory with drugs when i come on here and see people having better recollection of some throwaway remark froggy might have made ~2 years ago than i have of the last NUFC game i watched

[CPL]

8 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

There is no comparing Isak and Hojlund in any way.  Isak is miles better at this moment in time

 

There was just a little chat about overpaying/investing in potential that's all, and I addressed people downplaying Hojlunds potential by comparing him to Isak at the same age, which IMO is a fair comparison.

 

Do I think Hojlund could be as good as or better than Isak? Yes. Do I think he will be? No. Certainly not unless Amorim can change this shit show.

The point a lot of us are making is that you thought we overpaid for Isak when he clearly showed what he could do on his debut. I don't think I've seen that with Hojlund if we are basing it on the transfer fee. 

 

I'll say for the record Hojlund at his peak won't be as good as what Isak is right now. 

[Froggy]

1 minute ago, CPL said:

The point a lot of us are making is that you thought we overpaid for Isak when he clearly showed what he could do on his debut. I don't think I've seen that with Hojlund if we are basing it on the transfer fee. 

 

I'll say for the record Hojlund at his peak won't be as good as what Isak is right now. 

 

I mean, Martial ruined Liverpool on his debut as well, and in Isak's debut season Martial had a better goal and assists per 90 than him. So I don't think the performance against Liverpool carries a ton of weight when discussing his potential.

 

£60m was a lot of money for Isak. How good he is now doesn't change that.

 

£64m was also a lot of money for Hojlund. We paid over £20m for Amad. And Yoro for £52m is a lot of money. They're all overpays that are essential a gamble as to whether or not they'll fulfill their potential. 

[KaKa]

1 hour ago, Froggy said:

 

There was just a little chat about overpaying/investing in potential that's all, and I addressed people downplaying Hojlunds potential by comparing him to Isak at the same age, which IMO is a fair comparison.

 

In his age 20 season Isak moved to Sociedad for £12.5 million. He then established himself as their lead striker over the next three seasons. With one particular standout season where he scored 17 goals. During this period he showed plenty for us to determine the kind of striker he could be in the Premier league, with his speed, athleticism and technique. We paid £60 million for him after those three seasons.

 

In Hojlund's age 20 season you spent £64 million on him. The year before he was brought off the bench at Atalanta mostly, and was not their lead striker. It was his first season there. He scored 9 goals. Prior to that he was in the Austrian league and scored 6 goals in 13 games.

 

What on Earth was that £64 million fee based on? At a similar stage and level of experience Isak moved for £12.5 million to Sociedad, and had previously scored 13 goals in 16 games on loan in the Dutch league as a lead striker.

 

In my opinion your move for Hojlund seems very forced and it was made way too early before he really had a chance to show what he could be. Joining you so early means he misses out on the development Isak benefitted from during his 3 years at Sociedad.

 

So as far as him reaching any sort of similar levels to Isak, I think it is very unlikely. Your fans are already calling for a more established striker, and it looks like the club is thinking the same. This means over the next few years he is now likely to be a bench player for you, and you are not likely to be in Europe for at least next season, so his minutes will be limited.

 

If I were to guess I think he ends up reaching the level of an Alexander Sorloth, who he shares some similar traits with. I think you have ultimately stunted his growth if anything. Unless he leaves altogether and goes to a different league of a decent level where he starts every week.

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 11:45 by KaKa

[HayDen Traces]

Merson needs to piss off with this shit. Its tiresome.

 

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13282728/paul-merson-arsenal-need-to-break-the-bank-for-newcastles-alexander-isak

[ExiledGeordie]

12 minutes ago, HayDen Traces said:

Merson needs to piss off with this shit. Its tiresome.

 

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13282728/paul-merson-arsenal-need-to-break-the-bank-for-newcastles-alexander-isak

It’s pretty standard he’s going to say it though isn’t it. I mean he’s ex Arsenal, they clearly need a striker and he’s probably the best striker in the league currently. It doesn’t mean it’s going to happen and absolutely no chance this window either. 

[KaKa]

31 minutes ago, HayDen Traces said:

Merson needs to piss off with this shit. Its tiresome.

 

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13282728/paul-merson-arsenal-need-to-break-the-bank-for-newcastles-alexander-isak

 

 

They were linked with him so much before we bought him, and they bottled it.

 

I know it just makes them all so sick!

 

Oh well! All the voting against Newcastle means we're not doing anyone any favours and PSR means they really can't afford to shell out so much on one player now.

 

Good times 

[Nucasol]

19 minutes ago, HayDen Traces said:

Merson needs to piss off with this shit. Its tiresome.

 

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13282728/paul-merson-arsenal-need-to-break-the-bank-for-newcastles-alexander-isak

All part of the Cartel game plan.

[Kimbo]

39 minutes ago, HayDen Traces said:

Merson needs to piss off with this shit. Its tiresome.

 

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13282728/paul-merson-arsenal-need-to-break-the-bank-for-newcastles-alexander-isak

I think it’s a bit insulting towards Isak that they think it’s Arsenal he should be desperate to go to. Why should he not go to one of the top clubs that win the big trophies? We know there’s a hierarchy in football and Arsenal are above us, but there’s a couple of tiers above Arsenal as well.

[Joe1984]

7 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Hojlund scored 16 goals last year mate as a 20/21 year old.

 

Hojlund also has 16 in 25 in Europe competition as well. Isak has 4 in 25, which is proper shite. 

 

Bet your 6 year old neighbour is rubbish as well. 

Isak is wanted by a host of top clubs. To the point we've slapped a £150m price tag on him.

 

Is anyone actually after Hojlund? 

 

Also Hojlunds stats this year in PL are 14 appearances and 2 goals. THAT'S proper shite! 🤣

 

 

Edited Thursday at 13:13 by Joe1984

[gdm]

40 minutes ago, HayDen Traces said:

Merson needs to piss off with this shit. Its tiresome.

 

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/13282728/paul-merson-arsenal-need-to-break-the-bank-for-newcastles-alexander-isak

 

Paul Merson’s opinion has absolutely no baring on whether Isak goes to Arsenal or not. 
if we get to where we want to be other club’s players will be getting touted as perfect for us. 

[KaKa]

1 minute ago, Kimbo said:

I think it’s a bit insulting towards Isak that they think it’s Arsenal he should be desperate to go to. Why should he not go to one of the top clubs that win the big trophies? We know there’s a hierarchy in football and Arsenal are above us, but there’s a couple of tiers above Arsenal as well.

 

They are the one's so desperate and thirsty it's probably turning the guy off 

[TRon]

Honestly it annoys the fuck out of me that players like Isak would most probably love to sign a new contract for life here if we were able to match the wages of the super league cartel clubs. We have the money to pay those wages as well. The whole system is rigged and needs to be ripped asap.