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He definitely has/had exciting qualities but ultimately there are loads of interesting kids who don't make the cut for all kinds of reasons. Experiences, luck, injuries, and probably personality is the biggest one. There's probably a thousand English 33 year olds who could've had more of a top flight career than Dan Burn based on talent with a ball aged 18, but he's made it and they haven't.

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If they aren't playing him then he might as well come back here and not play. Christ, sell Almiron and he probably will get game time. 

 

The sad thing is I thought us miss managing young players careers were firmly behind us, but seems we're still that club. 

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3 minutes ago, Dokko said:

If they aren't playing him then he might as well come back here and not play. Christ, sell Almiron and he probably will get game time. 

 

The sad thing is I thought us miss managing young players careers were firmly behind us, but seems we're still that club. 

Ameobi is an Ashley-era hangover; a yes-man for the previous regime.  Fuck knows why he’s still in situ. 

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1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Ameobi is an Ashley-era hangover; a yes-man for the previous regime.  Fuck knows why he’s still in situ. 

Superficially, it's probably the biggest single question I have over the whole Dan Ashworth/Football side of the new ownership. I'd have thought they'd have wanted this area nailed down a long time ago already.

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2 minutes ago, BonesJones said:

Is he actually the guy making the decisions? I can't see it.

 

My thought was he is just the liason. ie. Deals with the player whilst he's on loan and makes sure he's set up and happy, not the one who makes the decision where he actually goes.

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25 minutes ago, Mazzy said:

 

My thought was he is just the liason. ie. Deals with the player whilst he's on loan and makes sure he's set up and happy, not the one who makes the decision where he actually goes.

I've thought that myself, but if so, then who is controlling things?

 

I think I remember hearing Eddie say they pretty much leave it up to the kid to make a choice based on the offers that have been made. But that sounds so unprofessional I halfway discounted it, but maybe I shouldn't have.

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3 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

NUFC keep loaning him to clubs well above the level he’s at right now.  Hearts then Voldendam.  He should have been sent to the fourth tier in England a la Anderson.  Australians won’t admit it, but there is a significant quality jump from the A-League to the Scottish Premier or the Eredivisie.  Kuol wasn’t even a regular here in Oz. 

Just speculating but as an Aussie, (and Central Coast Mariners fan) after the world cup Kuol was the most exciting thing in Australian football, it felt. I was thrilled he signed with Newcastle. And NUFC got a lot of positive coverage in Australia (where in all honesty) they are not one of the most supported EPL teams. I'm not suggesting his transfer and fee was a cynical attempt to get more supporters for NUFC from this part of the world cos as others have pointed out football is not the biggest sport here so don't know how big the market is etc - but coming from a smaller football nation, I know a lot of supporters did take an interest in NUFC (just to see how a 'local boy' is going). 

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1 hour ago, Full90minutes said:

Just speculating but as an Aussie, (and Central Coast Mariners fan) after the world cup Kuol was the most exciting thing in Australian football, it felt. I was thrilled he signed with Newcastle. And NUFC got a lot of positive coverage in Australia (where in all honesty) they are not one of the most supported EPL teams. I'm not suggesting his transfer and fee was a cynical attempt to get more supporters for NUFC from this part of the world cos as others have pointed out football is not the biggest sport here so don't know how big the market is etc - but coming from a smaller football nation, I know a lot of supporters did take an interest in NUFC (just to see how a 'local boy' is going). 

Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd seems to be the popularity sequence over here (Liverpool seem to be the most popular). 
 

I also don’t think that there was a cynicism in NUFC’s approach - there isn’t the supporter numbers over here to make serious money off the back of an Australian player signing for a club.  I think it was because he was seen as a kid with real potential.  Perhaps he’ll still make it - he’s still young.  The signs are currently pointing towards ‘not’, though. 

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This lads gone well under the radar. Need to get him out of this rotten squad and get him some games. Feel bad for him. 

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16 minutes ago, Nowhere Man said:

This lads gone well under the radar. Need to get him out of this rotten squad and get him some games. Feel bad for him. 

You're right, but think we have to conclude it's not looking optimistic for him. Does feel like we've badly mishandled him though. He was young and cheap enough that we could have had him train with us for that first 6 months to get into our patterns and acclimatise before shooting him out anywhere.

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1 hour ago, 80 said:

You're right, but think we have to conclude it's not looking optimistic for him. Does feel like we've badly mishandled him though. He was young and cheap enough that we could have had him train with us for that first 6 months to get into our patterns and acclimatise before shooting him out anywhere.

Agree. Came with plenty of promise, but not being able to get into the first team of Scottish and Dutch not exactly top teams is a clear sign he’s probably not cut out for the Premier League. A cheap gamble, that didn’t work out. Probably get our money back still.

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Remember watching this guy give Barcelona problems in a friendly over the summer for his previous club.

 

Not sure what is happening, but it isn't good at all. Would have been better off just keeping him around.

 

Need to get him somewhere in Belgium next season. Terrible loan this year and last. Complete waste.

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3 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Remember watching this guy give Barcelona problems in a friendly over the summer for his previous club.

 

Not sure what is happening, but it isn't good at all. Would have been better off just keeping him around.

 

Need to get him somewhere in Belgium next season. Terrible loan this year and last. Complete waste.

Barcelona vs A-League XI.  Meaningless kick around.  The lad was extremely raw and wasn’t even a starter at CCM.  He should’ve been shipped to a lower league club to give him experience at a level where he’d get minutes.  Instead Ameobi sends him to the SPL and Eredivisie.  Absolute madness 

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23 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Barcelona vs A-League XI.  Meaningless kick around.  The lad was extremely raw and wasn’t even a starter at CCM.  He should’ve been shipped to a lower league club to give him experience at a level where he’d get minutes.  Instead Ameobi sends him to the SPL and Eredivisie.  Absolute madness 

 

Yeah, it had to be somewhere he would start games without question to get used to that.

 

Dutch 1st league, albeit in a poorer team, was too much. And the Hearts thing was totally ridiculous.

 

Belgian league has been the go to for Brighton's prospects. Don't understand why we didn't go that route, considering Ashworth was here, or perhaps like you said League 2 or something.

 

Interestingly enough I stumbled on a segment covering Karamoko Dembele who was the 16 year old wonder kid at Celtic that got some minutes at that age, but then lost his way. He since joined Brest who loaned him to Blackpool this season where he has played every game and really found his feet and been a star for them. We need a similar type move for Kuol.

 

I find his current situation incredibly annoying.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, huss9 said:

cant always just blame the clubs, someimes you have to look at the player too.

whats he done to try and get himself gametime etc.

Exactly, if he was half the player some fans claim he would have got games for these rotten teams

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1 hour ago, Fezzle said:

Exactly, if he was half the player some fans claim he would have got games for these rotten teams

 

 

Whilst I agree, maybe switch gears and send him to League 2 or Conference League and see if we can get our money back if he does well and moves up a division and is still doing something.

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