Nine Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:04, Froggy said: Why not? We are missing a lot of players. The selection was also poor. Expand One will always impact the other, not sure you can be to picky over Hojlund being taken off as he’s clearly not up to required fitness to do 90 yet. McTominay was subbed for a 21 yo 6th appearance for you, and Casemiro for a 20 yo 5th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:03, Froggy said: You have Rashford hogging the ball and refusing to pass. Hojlund being hauled off when he's our most dangerous player. Bruno being pushed out to the right hand side and Casemiro on his fifth milkshake the fat fuck. Either way Brighton were missing two players and we were missing nine. So your statement about them playing their seconds against us was nonsense. Expand This is actually sad. I told you spending £60 million on that old man would was very short term thinking. Anyway, Bayern Munich next week, so something for you to look forward to I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:07, LionOfGosforth said: Ten Hag is just going to go the same way as every single manager they've had since SAF. Initial optimism, giving way to grim realization he's not the answer, with a dash of refusal to accept it until another season is wasted for them. Expand There's 5 games gone. Is there grim realisation that Howe isn't the answer? Because you need to win today to draw level with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:02, Nine said: So was it the missing player list or the selection that was the main issue today? Can’t really have it both ways. Expand Naah man. You ask Gary Neville, he'll blame every loss on the Glazers. He'll completely forget the Glazers when they win though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:08, Nine said: One will always impact the other, not sure you can be to picky over Hojlund being taken off as he’s clearly not up to required fitness to do 90 yet. Expand This is utter nonsense. He played minutes for us before the international break and played twice for Denmark during it. He is fit to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:09, Froggy said: There's 5 games gone. Is there grim realisation that Howe isn't the answer? Because you need to win today to draw level with us. Expand 5 games and you've been utterly terrible in all of them. I think our expectations are radically different as clubs but Howe is 1 million percent supported by me and most sane individuals on this board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Ten Games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:07, LionOfGosforth said: Ten Hag is just going to go the same way as every single manager they've had since SAF. Initial optimism, giving way to grim realization he's not the answer, with a dash of refusal to accept it until another season is wasted for them. Expand It's not even the manager, it's the fact there is no infrastructure to support him. The size of them, and they have no proper recruitment team, so ten Hag is just buying players he knows for the most part, and not at great value. Ragnick told them what was needed to restructure the whole setup, and they fobbed him off. Think they are in big trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:11, LionOfGosforth said: 5 games and you've been utterly terrible in all of them. I think our expectations are radically different as clubs but Howe is 1 million percent supported by me and most sane individuals on this board. Expand No we haven't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Estupinan Billy Gilmour bench Solly march Ferguson bench Webster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:09, Froggy said: There's 5 games gone. Is there grim realisation that Howe isn't the answer? Because you need to win today to draw level with us. Expand Let's see if you can keep it below 7 when you face Liverpool this season, never mind Man City. Today we have already seen what Brighton's backups did in your stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:07, Froggy said: Aye. Malacia, Mount, Shaw, Varane, Amrabat and Antony the first teamers injured today. Don't like Antony but also don't want Bruno pushed out right and Scott McTominay was fucking playing there near the end. Expand Antonys fists sore? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:13, Froggy said: No we haven't. Expand Well you were rubbish against Wolves, dreadful at Spurs, half decent at Arsenal, utter tripe today. Missed the Forest game and it took a crazy comeback to win it. So how would you describe your games then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Nine home league wins in a row. Goes back to start of March. left that one late mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:17, brummie said: Nine home league wins in a row. Goes back to start of March. left that one late mind. Expand Understatement of the year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 (edited) On 16/09/2023 at 16:10, Froggy said: This is utter nonsense. He played minutes for us before the international break and played twice for Denmark during it. He is fit to play. Expand That does not mean he is fit to play 90 PL minutes at all, hes also a young kid who only just arrived at a huge club in a new country so it could be careful man management as much as it is fitness related. Twisting about that substitution is just looking for an excuse to moan imo. Edited September 16, 2023 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:16, LionOfGosforth said: Well you were rubbish against Wolves, dreadful at Spurs, half decent at Arsenal, utter tripe today. Missed the Forest game and it took a crazy comeback to win it. So how would you describe your games then? Expand So not utterly terrible in all of them? Why did you say that then? We were awful second half against Spurs. Far from awful first half and should have been ahead. Bruno Fernandes missed a sitter from 6 yards out which completely changes the game if it goes in. We were by far the better side first half. Fell apart in the second. Arsenal we were a whisker from winning the game and Garnacho was millimetres offside to make it 2-1. Every bit as good as them up until that point. We conceded twice early to Forest but absolutely battered them. Brighton's first goal was against the run of play today as well. Rashford hit the bar. And again a centimetre away from it being 1-1 with VAR ruling it out. Wolves is the only game we were properly dreadful. They should have battered us. We have been far from good, but nowhere near as bad as people are letting on. Especially with the amount of injuries we've had. Give it time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:17, brummie said: Nine home league wins in a row. Goes back to start of March. left that one late mind. Expand How did Zaniolo look? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:19, Nine said: That does not mean he is fit to play 90 PL minutes at all, hes also a young kid who only just arrived at a huge club in a new country so it could be careful man management as much as it is fitness related. Twisting about that substitution is just looking for an excuse to moan imo. Expand We were told he was fit weeks ago, but that we were giving him more time off to recover. Then he played against Arsenal, then twice more for Denmark. He was probably our best player. He should have been kept on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:22, KaKa said: How did Zaniolo look? Expand Looked pretty decent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LionOfGosforth Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:22, Froggy said: So not utterly terrible in all of them? Why did you say that then? We were awful second half against Spurs. Far from awful first half and should have been ahead. Bruno Fernandes missed a sitter from 6 yards out which completely changes the game if it goes in. We were by far the better side first half. Fell apart in the second. Arsenal we were a whisker from winning the game and Garnacho was millimetres offside to make it 2-1. Every bit as good as them up until that point. We conceded twice early to Forest but absolutely battered them. Brighton's first goal was against the run of play today as well. Rashford hit the bar. And again a centimetre away from it being 1-1 with VAR ruling it out. Wolves is the only game we were properly dreadful. They should have battered us. We have been far from good, but nowhere near as bad as people are letting on. Especially with the amount of injuries we've had. Give it time. Expand Because one half decent performance in 4 games is considered ok or good now? For a club with your expectations, it's a terrible effort. And you know fine well bringing Howe into the discussion is completely disingenuous and not based on anything or intended to promote good discussion at all. We're in the very beginning of a slow build towards sustained success and most would know and recognize that. My initial comment was not based on 5 games either, you were quite poor for large swathes of last season too. Beaten comprehensively two seasons running by Brighton at home, we ran you out of town in convincing fashion, conceded 6 at City, 7 at Liverpool (most embarrassing result in living memory). Without microscopically or forensically watching your performances and with a fan's layman eye, I simply and genuinely don't see the basis for optimism around Ten Hag at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Milan being spanked by Inter currently. 2-0 approaching HT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 On 16/09/2023 at 16:30, David Edgar said: Expand I said back when he signed that he only plays well in big games after winning it all for Real. Thought he was surprisingly decent in shit games last year, but he’ll regress to the mean this season and only perform in the big stage if they make it there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 Why are people arguing with Froggy about Man Utd when we're literally playing right now? He'll be having a right laugh if we lose this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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