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12 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Yeah I think there's some trivia crossed wires there. I'm sure the thing about Wakefield is that it's the biggest city not to have a professional football team, or something. 

Yeah that’s what I was about to say. Think it may have changed now.  

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10 hours ago, ryanegg said:


Highly doubt he’d go back. Didn’t seem keen at all in the Amazon doc. Says a lot he’s played at two clubs probably the furthest away from Cov too🤣. I used to live there. Can’t blame him😂


I’ve only ever driven through, and safe to say never again.

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27 minutes ago, leffe186 said:


Coventry.

A bit like we (Newcastle) were ready to win the Carabao Cup after our previous final defeat, I feel Coventry if they make the play-offs are similarly prepared for it.

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ponsaelius

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1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

Hope you smashed the place up because that's absolute bollocks. :lol:

 

Is it not just a case of the biggest city never to have a top flight club? IE without the PL cut off. I think it probably is Wakefield - the city area is like 325k. Although that's a bit of a fudge as the town itself is much smaller and it's not really a contiguous urban area.

 

If we're talking proper cities, it is 

Plymouth.

 

Bristol City played in the top flight in the late 70s.

 

 

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On 18/04/2025 at 02:53, Wolfcastle said:

What does that even prove? Wimbledon won the FA Cup. Does that mean its rubbish? 

All those sides pictured beat better teams along the way than Man United and Spurs will face in the Europa League or Chelsea in the Conference. As did Wimbledon.

 

Djurgården in the ECL and Bodø/Glimt in the EL, haven't beat better teams along the way, then? Does that make the ECL and EL "rubbish"?

 

All competitions will inevitably start with some teams being "clear favorites", which most of the times sees those favorites win the competition in the end. That's been the case for the English League Cup just as it's been the case for most European competitions, but that doesn't mean the competitions are "rubbish". 

 

People would talk down our LC victory this season saying shit like "it's only/just  the League Cup!" – but is it "only/just" the League Cup, really? Because for the last 12 seasons befre our victory this season, all winning teams had also finished in the top 4 the same season (which we will end up doing as well, for that matter...) – does that mean it's not a big deal winning that cup? Why isn't it a big deal for teams to win the EL or/and the ECL? Is it because the CL exists which is a "bigger" trophy/competition ran by the same hosts? If so, that would mean the FA Cup would be a bigger achievement than the League Cup for an English side to win, which on paper doesn't even make sense as the FA Cup is filled up by tons of "lesser" teams making the way to the final per definition "easier" for the teams getting there than a League Cup run would've been for them, as that competition only contains teams from the top four divisions in England.

 

For Bodø/Glimt to get to the semis, they've defeated: Porto, Braga, Besiktas, Maccabi Tel Aviv, Twente, Olympiakos and Lazio.

For Djurgården to get to the semis, they've defeated: Panathinaikos, TNS, Vikingur, Legia, Pafos and Rapid Wien.

(teams in bold are teams they've defeated during their off-season period – meaning they've been doing pre-season friendlies and training at the same time, which is usually an absolute killer for teams from Norway/Sweden whenever they've advanced from a European group stage)

 

For Arsenal to get to the semis, they've defeated: PSG, Shaktar, Sporting Lisbon, Monaco, Dinamo Zagreb, Gironoa, PSV and Real Madrid.

 

Yes, there are more "obviously" good sides among those defeated by Arsenal than the ones defeated by the two Scandinavian sides. That said, based on pre-match odds set by bookies, Bodø/Glimt were only pre-match favorites for 1 (MtA) out of their 7 matchups. Djurgården for 2 out of their 6 (TNS+Vikingur). Why are people using teams like these two outperforming their expectations as a negative when discussing the competitions? If anything, cinderella stories like those two should be used as a positive when discussing them, as it shows the pre-tournament favorites to win aren't always likely to be the ones to get to the final four – or even the final – when all is said and done. Whereas, for the CL, the opposite has been true for as long as I can remember and the pre-tournament favorites have pretty much always been the ones left in it from the QF's onward? 

 

Yes, both the EL and ECL might still end up having finals made up of two teams that were favourites to win it before this season's competition began. But that's the case for pretty much any cup-competition, as well as league competition, throughout the history of football as a sport in all nations and in all continental-cups? But in the "shit" EL and ECL, you at least get to experience some late-stage upsets and get interesting, unique, stories of clubs and their backgrounds. I just don't get why people are so negative towards these two competitions attitude-wise when they're from one of the "big five" countries in Europe, whilst everyone else in Europe view them as legitimate, quality, competitions for teams that aren't "CL quality" at present.

 

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All that said, I wish the CL consisted only of teams that had won the league in their respective nation the season prior and the ECL consisting only of the cup-winners (or the 2nd placed team in the cup if the same team won the league and cup that season). The EL, IMO, should've been where all the non-league winners and non-cup winners should've been fucking about. But we'll never get that again, because there's just not enough money in it for UEFA and the big FA's in Europe to back such options.

 

At the same time, the reason we no longer see teams from "lesser" nations in Europe do well in European competitions like they used to do until the mid-to-late 90s is down to that very same reason; greed. When the "Big 5" european leagues started getting additional spots in the CL, the "lesser" leagues/teams suddenly started receiving less money than they once did and it cemented the "big leagues" as the "big leagues" in public opinion, probably for the rest of time.

 

So far in the 24/25 season;

Bodø/Glimt has earned £22.75 million in prize money – their total 2024 season budget was ca £12.5 million.

Djurgården has earned £12.86 million in prize money – their total 2024 budget was ca £8 million. 

Arsenal has earned £100 million in prize money – you all know the size of a PL club's budgets...

 

How are teams from "lesser" leagues ever to put up a challenge against the "big teams" when all the money's been diverted to the "big five" leagues and their clubs for almost three straight decades now? It's not like a club like Djurgården isn't well-supported in its home nation, either, as they had a higher average attendance for home games in Allsvenskan than Ipswich, Fulham, Crystal Palace, Brentford and Bournemouth has had this season in the Premier League. 

 

It's just another example of how money ruined the modern game :(

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Hoping Everton can summon up a bit of fight this afternoon knowing they've only got 3 more games left at Goodison. Go out on a bit of a high and send their fans home happy with one last big scalp etc

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I don't fancy Everton much in this one, but obviously hope they can pull off another surprise result like the one last weekend. I think De Bruyne will do them, as he seems to have found a bit of form.

 

 

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Small sidenote to the B/G discussion and the myth that they "only do well" because they play on astroturf above the artic circle, here's their full home/away record in European competition since their "return" to them for the 20/21 season:

 

Home: 29 – 3 – 5┊107 – 30┊+77 GD

Away: 8 – 11 – 17┊45 – 57┊-12 GD

 

Total: 37 – 14 – 22┊152 – 87┊+65 GD

 

7 of 17 away defeats were by 2 goals or more, meaning 10 out of 17 were lost by 1 goal. Only 2 matches were lost by more than 2 goals, 0-3 against Arsenal in the 22/23 EL group stage and 0-4 against Roma in the  21/22 ECL QF.

 

Yes, of course B/G gets some advantage from being used to their astroturf and their local climate – but how"large" of an advantage they're getting, when compared to the general "advantage" all home sides have due to simply being more familiar with their home ground than the opponents, could be discussed to death in and of itself – also, shouldn't truly "big" European teams be professional enough to do their job on any turf in any weather if their team truly was much more talented than their opponent?

 

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42 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

Small sidenote to the B/G discussion and the myth that they "only do well" because they play on astroturf above the artic circle, here's their full home/away record in European competition since their "return" to them for the 20/21 season:

 

Home: 29 – 3 – 5┊107 – 30┊+77 GD

Away: 8 – 11 – 17┊45 – 57┊-12 GD

 

Total: 37 – 14 – 22┊152 – 87┊+65 GD

 

7 of 17 away defeats were by 2 goals or more, meaning 10 out of 17 were lost by 1 goal. Only 2 matches were lost by more than 2 goals, 0-3 against Arsenal in the 22/23 EL group stage and 0-4 against Roma in the  21/22 ECL QF.

 

Yes, of course B/G gets some advantage from being used to their astroturf and their local climate – but how"large" of an advantage they're getting, when compared to the general "advantage" all home sides have due to simply being more familiar with their home ground than the opponents, could be discussed to death in and of itself – also, shouldn't truly "big" European teams be professional enough to do their job on any turf in any weather if their team truly was much more talented than their opponent?

 

 

Last time Bodø/Glimt met a team managed by Ange Postecoglou (Celtic), they won 2-0 at home and 3-1 away, going on a  5-1 aggregate.

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