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The Quarter Finals: Croatia, Argentina, Morocco, and France through


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Just now, Shearergol said:

How am I? I’m asking who our future forwards are ffs 

The initial comment was about the youngsters. You fixated on a striker coming through, to which I replied that it may not be much of a problem for the next Euros if Kane is fine, as he will still probably be an elite striker. It will obviously be an issue if he is injured, but France would be fucked if Mbappe gets injured. I am not talking about beyond the Euros. This is just really odd.

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35 minutes ago, Wullie said:

Uninspiring :lol:

 

By an absolute mile the most inspiring England set-up in my lifetime, almost in my dad's lifetime. God yeah, can't wait to see the back of going deep into every tournament.

 

He was a nothing club manager, and he's now made a living out of being England manager. He's the international version of Glen Roeder as a manager. Nice guy but can't win the big games or make tough choices. If he was really proactive he would have designated a second penalty taker instead of being surprised that we got two in the same game. I'm never happy to see the same player take two penalties in a game. No criticism of Kane either, his first pen was one of the best in this competition.

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4 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

The initial comment was about the youngsters. You fixated on a striker coming through, to which I replied that it may not be much of a problem for the next Euros if Kane is fine, as he will still probably be an elite striker. It will obviously be an issue if he is injured, but France would be fucked if Mbappe gets injured. I am not talking about beyond the Euros. This is just really odd.

Can you move away from your own original point (not mine) and get onto the conversation about what strikers England have coming through? You know, pretend the conversation has moved on?

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2 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

Can you move away from your own original point (not mine) and get onto the conversation about what strikers England have coming through? You know, pretend the conversation has moved on?

It didn't move on as it just started when I responded to someone else's comment about the youngsters. It moved on specifically because you immediately moved it on. Jesus fucking Christ. You are having a mare this evening.

 

 

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Just now, The Prophet said:

 

It doesn't answer the question though.

 

How hasn’t he learnt? Leaving game changers like Maddison on the bench. Playing a tactic of not passing forwards until France scored. Leaving Grealish on the bench until there was 1 minute left.

 

as I keep trying to say, I’m not even calling for Southgate to be sacked. I just disagree with the media who say that he learns from his mistakes. 

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19 minutes ago, Shearergol said:


Well we did worse than last time, it kinda suggests something 

Unless the teams we played were at the same or similar level, this makes no sense.

 

It goes without saying that a quarter final against Colombia and a quarter final against France are very different 

 

 

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1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

He was a nothing club manager, and he's now made a living out of being England manager. He's the international version of Glen Roeder as a manager. Nice guy but can't win the big games or make tough choices. If he was really proactive he would have designated a second penalty taker instead of being surprised that we got two in the same game. I'm never happy to see the same player take two penalties in a game. No criticism of Kane either, his first pen was one of the best in this competition.

 

Again, I don't particularly rate Southgate as a tactician, but criticising him for allowing Kane to take the second penalty is rather bizarre. 

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1 minute ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

It didn't move on as it just started when I responded to someone else's comment about the youngsters. It moved on specifically because you immediately moved it on. Jesus fucking Christ. You are having a mare this evening.

 

 

 

You’re completely right. Kane will be fine.

 

next point…. Any idea which young English strikers are coming through to take over from Kane?

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2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

He was a nothing club manager, and he's now made a living out of being England manager. He's the international version of Glen Roeder as a manager. Nice guy but can't win the big games or make tough choices. If he was really proactive he would have designated a second penalty taker instead of being surprised that we got two in the same game. I'm never happy to see the same player take two penalties in a game. No criticism of Kane either, his first pen was one of the best in this competition.

 

Order one of the world's most consistent penalty takers not to take a penalty in a World Cup quarter final because he's already scored one? One of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard in my life.

 

This is when you know folk are really at the bottom of the barrel and will use absolutely anything to criticise Gareth Southgate against all reason and logic.

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Just now, Shearergol said:

How hasn’t he learnt? Leaving game changers like Maddison on the bench. Playing a tactic of not passing forwards until France scored. Leaving Grealish on the bench until there was 1 minute left.

 

as I keep trying to say, I’m not even calling for Southgate to be sacked. I just disagree with the media who say that he learns from his mistakes. 

 

Fair enough. 

 

I'd say both sides took the game to each other and both were on top at different periods of the match. This French side have so much firepower they're bound to peg you back at times.  I don't think the game particularly needed changing for that reason.

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1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

I don’t know why this is such a controversial question? I’m hoping people with more knowledge of English youth players can help out?

It wouldn't be a controversial question at all if you weren't clearly beating it into the ground just for the purpose of winning an argument.

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Kane has to take that second penalty for me.  But he was obviously caught in two minds - he was going the same way as the first but knew Lloris would anticipate it so added more power, which was a fatal mistake.  Hindsight is 50/50 unless you’re talking about something patently obvious, as this was.

 

I think England performed exactly in this tournament as they did the previous two - beat the poor and mediocre, lost vs the first decent side they played.  They went out to a very good side, and didn’t embarrass themselves - but that’s no different to pretty much every England tournament in my lifetime.  2010 and 2016 are the only two I can think of where you could potentially say they were ‘embarrassed’ - and even then, that was a lot more to do with condescension towards a very good Iceland team who’d been getting good results vs good sides over the previous two years. 

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18 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

We were specifically talking about the Euros, which are a year and a half away. I am not talking about the following World Cup. Kane's abilities will probably not be reduced so much. Fullback is way more of an issue.

 

Are you suggesting that England put Kane out to pasture for the next Euros? If he is firing on all cylinders and doesn't suffer any serious injuries, then you won't need to worry as much about another striker coming through, as we are talking about 18 months.

 

Reece James, TAA (I know he is out of form, but he is till a class RB), Chilwell is an excellent collection of young fullbacks to build a team around. Talent is not going to be an issue with England for the foreseeable future. 

 

I hope the one thing Southgate learned from today and this campaign is that if England plays on the front foot, very few teams can live with them. French defense were rattled today. A more neutral ref and one of them could have been sent off. 

 

I have not been a huge fan of Southgate-ball but cant fault him for this campaign. If he continues this slightly bolder approach, might be worth sticking with him. Unless someone like Mancini is available.

 

More than anything England need a mentality shift. English football could use a Eoin Morgan or Ben Stokes, either on the pitch or in the dugout. No squad is perfect. A lot of times, the narrative is shifted around how great the team is after they win something. England has the talent to win the world cup playing their unique way of football.  As a starting point, the belief has to be there. 

 

 

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Just now, Vinny Green Balls said:

It wouldn't be a controversial question at all if you weren't clearly beating it into the ground just for the purpose of winning an argument.

Oh ffs, I’m genuinely not. There wasn’t even an argument. I don’t disagree that Kane will still be world class in 2 years, but his lack of pace, to me, indicates we need another option.

 

I’ve had so little interest in England the last couple of years that I couldn’t even name an u21 player in that position.

 

I’ll just google it, don’t worry 

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6 minutes ago, Shak said:

Is that a thing? Not taking two penalties in a game, I mean.

 

Don't think I can recall ever seeing a player score a penalty then not take the next one when their team got a second.

 

I've seen enough people take a penalty successfully then miss the second one, usually in penalty shoot outs. It's a psychological thing, when you are taking another penalty in the same game, some second guessing starts going on. You could clearly see it in Kane's second pen.

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Just now, Shearergol said:

Oh ffs, I’m genuinely not. There wasn’t even an argument. I don’t disagree that Kane will still be world class in 2 years, but his lack of pace, to me, indicates we need another option.

 

I’ve had so little interest in England the last couple of years that I couldn’t even name an u21 player in that position.

 

I’ll just google it, don’t worry 

Forgive me for thinking you are as it certainly appears that way given how this whole thing started.

 

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