ToonAbroad Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Keeping Forest, Villa and Chelsea below still will do for this weekend. If we win against Chelsea and Villa drop some points at Bournemouth, I'd be feeling it's done given the final day Forest Chelsea game. Big if! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 13 hours ago, astraguy said: So if I've done this right New max points -72! Gd 21 Chel- max points 72 gd 6 Forest max points 72 gd 12 Villa max points 69 gd 6 So 2 wins outta outta 3 and villa can't catch us, doesn't guarantee cl though If we win our two home games then it guarantees us top 5 unless Villa or Forest end up on the same points as us and manage to overcome the huge difference in goal difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 If we beat Chelsea, we'll probably do it. But that's the problem - this assumption that we're beating Chelsea? On a scale of 1 to 10, I'll probably say 5 right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Just now, Ketsbaia said: If we beat Chelsea, we'll probably do it. But that's the problem - this assumption that we're beating Chelsea? On a scale of 1 to 10, I'll probably say 5 right now. What's the scale of them beating us out of interest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 I've got a bad feeling about the Chelsea game, probably means nothing but you do get a general feel for some games. It feels like they're coming into good form with Lavia back. I think bringing Botman and Gordon back in is important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) If each were to win all their games (for arguements sake, realise Forest play Chelsea), we require 7 points from 9 to finish above Forest, 5 if they draw with Chelsea, 4 if they lose 5 points from 9 to finish above Villa 9 points out of 9 to finish above Chelsea, 7 if they draw with Forest, 6 if they lose Edited May 5 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 minute ago, 54 said: What's the scale of them beating us out of interest? I’ll probably regret getting involved in this, but I’m guessing also 5… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelinton7 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 I’ve come up with a scenario where we beat Chelsea, draw at Arsenal and the rest win all of their games (besides Chelsea obviously), with the table looking like this going into the last game; Newcastle - 67 Forest - 67 Chelsea - 66 Villa - 66 It’s good for us that Forest and Chelsea are playing each other last game and it means one of them is guaranteed to drop points, they’ll also be both desperate not to lose. Let’s say we beat Everton and Forest beat Chelsea. We finish 4th, ahead of Forest on GD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaj Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Just now, Wolfcastle said: If each were to win all their games (for arguements sake, realise Forest play Chelsea), we require 7 points from 9 to finish above Forest, 5 if they draw with Chelsea, 4 if they lose 5 points from 9 to finish above Villa 9 points out of 9 to finish above Chelsea 6 points from 9 to finish above Chelsea if one of the win is against them (GD dependent) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Just now, Wolfcastle said: If each were to win all their games (for arguements sake, realise Forest play Chelsea), we require 7 points from 9 to finish above Forest, 5 if they draw with Chelsea, 4 if they lose 5 points from 9 to finish above Villa 9 points out of 9 to finish above Chelsea There’s gonna be a problem getting 9 out 9 if Chelsea win all their games… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 4 minutes ago, ToonAbroad said: Keeping Forest, Villa and Chelsea below still will do for this weekend. If we win against Chelsea and Villa drop some points at Bournemouth, I'd be feeling it's done given the final day Forest Chelsea game. Big if! That's the thing, if we beat Chelsea were 3 ahead of them and at least 2 above Forest with two games left and one or both of them are guaranteed to drop points in the last game. Also Villa are away to Bournemouth this weekend, they can't catch us if they lose that and we beat Chelsea. This game is huge at the weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 3 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said: I've got a bad feeling about the Chelsea game, probably means nothing but you do get a general feel for some games. It feels like they're coming into good form with Lavia back. I think bringing Botman and Gordon back in is important. Very much my feeling. Feels like a change, a freshness is needed to galvanise for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 3 hours ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Imagine Pickford at SJP if we don't get CL Hopefully people don’t go to the game dressed as dinosaurs and actually get behind the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SteV said: There’s gonna be a problem getting 9 out 9 if Chelsea win all their games… We'd need maximum points either way is the point 3 minutes ago, Vaj said: 6 points from 9 to finish above Chelsea if one of the win is against them (GD dependent) still 9 then Edited May 5 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Liverpool Man City Arsenal Newcastle Chelsea Forest That's how I think this ends up, would love for us to get top 3, but have a feeling 4th will be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t00nt00n313 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Another interesting fact, it we beat Chelsea and Villa get a draw to bournemouth away this weekend, that would mean we just need 1 more point from our last two games to secure cl. I don't think we will win mind but still here's hoping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelinton7 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 minute ago, t00nt00n313 said: Another interesting fact, it we beat Chelsea and Villa get a draw to bournemouth away this weekend, that would mean we just need 1 more point from our last two games to secure cl. I don't think we will win mind but still here's hoping. Would it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 7 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said: I've got a bad feeling about the Chelsea game, probably means nothing but you do get a general feel for some games. It feels like they're coming into good form with Lavia back. I think bringing Botman and Gordon back in is important. Are you a psychic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 5 minutes ago, SteV said: I’ll probably regret getting involved in this, but I’m guessing also 5… Could be a draw too… I reckon a draw’s quite likely actually. Wouldn’t be great but not end of world either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Joelinton7 said: Would it? Correct as far as I can tell. Would put us on 67. Villa would be max 67. And only Chelsea or Forest could finish above us in that scenario. Edit - no. Probably but possibly not. Chelsea would be max 69 and Forest max 67. Or Chelsea max 66 and Forest max 70. Or Chelsea max 67 and Forest max 68. In the third scenario Chelsea *could* realistically just pop us on GD. Edited May 5 by Superior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Sorry to piss everyone off about something that, presently, isn’t likely to happen but it pissed me off so I had to share. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novocastrian Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Joelinton7 said: Would it? Maybe, Villa would be out of the running. If Chelsea lost to Forest the max points they could get would be 66. If they beat Forest, the max Forest could get would be 67 but probably with an inferior GD to us. Edited May 5 by Novocastrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
t00nt00n313 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Joelinton7 said: Would it? We beat Chelsea and get a draw from our remaining 2 we are on 67. If villa don't win all of their remaining 3 they are also on 67 but have way worse gd than us so that would be them out. If Chelsea lose to us in this scenario, then beat man u they'd be on 66 going into their last game with forest. Then if forest win their next two they would also be on 66 going into their last game with Chelsea. So three scenarios here: Chelsea win, they get cl, forest are on 66 and we are on 67 so we go through with them over forest Forest win, they get cl, Chelsea are on 66 and we are on 67, so we go through over Chelsea Forest and Chelsea draw: forest, Chelsea and us end on 67 points. But our gd and Chelsea's is much better than forests so we'd probably go through over them (and when I say probably I mean almost definitely as forest are never turning that gd around in this scenario). So yeah tl;Dr version, if we beat Chelsea and Villa draw or lose to bournemouth (or just don't win all their remaining games), then we'd only need one additional points from arsenal or everton to secure cl. Edited May 5 by t00nt00n313 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Forrest will be on 67 if they win their next 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Yes it is true that if we beat Chelsea and villa draw then one more point for us secures top 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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