The College Dropout Posted yesterday at 10:12 Share Posted yesterday at 10:12 People under-rate Nuno as a manager. He's an excellent manager for an underdog type team. Forest will forever be a underdog type team. He's a little similar to Benitez in that way. Nuno got top 4 with Valencia in a difficult era for them - the last time they qualified for the CL I believe. The last time they were good iirc. Two 7th placed finishes with Wolves. This will be his 5th top 7 finish as a manager in a top level league. I think they will struggle with CL next season and expect a drop off. It happened with us and it's happening to Villa so obviously it will happen to an inferior technical side with less resources to a greater scale. But if they stick with Nuno long-term, he could establish Forest around the European places. He's shown that is his level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted yesterday at 10:17 Share Posted yesterday at 10:17 I know people will point to Man Utd's defending but I thought that was a fucking brilliant goal from Elanga last night. He absolutely terrified them into getting a shot away for himself. Lethal attacking play, so aggressive and direct - it reminded me of Owen's against Argentina. You can see why we were after him; would have no beef at all with us investigating that move again but assume we'd be priced out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted yesterday at 10:24 Share Posted yesterday at 10:24 I imagine Forest will invest in summer, but could disrupt the squad a bit whom clearly have been feeding off being 'underdogs' a bit. They could i guess do a leicester and drop right off but I think harsh to write off now. I wonder if a bunch of players will jump ship for better wages elsewhere. Their style of play does protect a lot of the players from doing the intense running our players do but then it is all about Elanga and the rest of them willing to sprint length of the pitch regularly with pace. I also think Wood is clearly overperforming, again maybe harsh but doubt he'll be quite as lethal again...but maybe I'm wrong! The owner whom has been much mocked seems to be more canny than people gave him credit and he is ambitious, has said he wants the club to stay at that level and if he is able to keep signing players of the quality they have been why not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted yesterday at 10:39 Share Posted yesterday at 10:39 last season they underperformed, this season they are wildly overperforming. The reality is they are a mid to lower mid-table side since Nuno took over but their striker has had an unreal Nunez at Benfica-like season that will never happen again, and other teams haven’t scored as many against them as they should have. congrats to them, sometimes you get a bit of luck. Next season could be a disaster though with the extra games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted yesterday at 10:42 Share Posted yesterday at 10:42 like, even last night it was Forest 0.67xg - 1.99xg Man U. Probably the most fortuitous season I’ve ever seen a side have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted yesterday at 10:45 Share Posted yesterday at 10:45 1 minute ago, Smal said: like, even last night it was Forest 0.67xg - 1.99xg Man U. Probably the most fortuitous season I’ve ever seen a side have. It really reminds me of our Pardew 5th season, so many close games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted yesterday at 11:06 Share Posted yesterday at 11:06 (edited) 22 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: It really reminds me of our Pardew 5th season, so many close games. yeah, although I think Nuno probably has a more sound and deliberate plan in place than Pards did Edited yesterday at 11:07 by Smal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted yesterday at 11:29 Share Posted yesterday at 11:29 I think xG doesn't tell much in their games. They are deadly on the counter and have very little possession. Opposition has the ball and some kind of control, but do they really have many dangerous chances? I mean counter attack counts as 0,00 xG if you mess the key pass like they did couple of times yesterday. They have been lucky, but also they have been hard to break down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted yesterday at 11:32 Share Posted yesterday at 11:32 2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: We were a miles better side than this Forest one. It blows my mind that more teams haven't figured them out in the way that Howe has. Teams have done well against them, it’s just a lot of results keep going Forest way as the underlaying stats says so. They’ll naturally drop off next season because training and match prep in like 48 hour turn arounds is a completely different ball game. Howe touched on this I think it was for the League Cup SF. Where he said our experience and learnings from the required short turn around match plans from Europe helped him plan and implement for the Arsenal game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted yesterday at 12:16 Share Posted yesterday at 12:16 (edited) I'd take the xG version with a pinch of salt it tends to slightly inflate the dominance of teams that have the ball and press high and make teams like Forest look worse. Yes their position is inflated by Chris Wood clealry overpoerforming and that will impact it a bunch but no I don't think they have played like a lower midtable team and got lucky which is kinda what the xg implies. I think it's a slight flaw in xg that illustrates. I am not against xG, but I think this more illustrates it's limitations than Forest fluking every game. To clarify they are overperforming, but it's i guess the 'wildly' bit ought to bring a bit of skepticism to the stats Edited yesterday at 12:18 by Tiresias Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted yesterday at 12:43 Share Posted yesterday at 12:43 If we can win our next 3 games, which is definitely doable, I’ll feel a lot more confident about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted yesterday at 12:45 Share Posted yesterday at 12:45 2 minutes ago, NWMag said: If we can win our next 3 games, which is definitely doable, I’ll feel a lot more confident about it And we've got Palace at home after that, absolutely winnable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT24 Posted yesterday at 12:47 Share Posted yesterday at 12:47 Now would be a great time to go on another 10 game winning streak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shush Posted yesterday at 12:48 Share Posted yesterday at 12:48 2 hours ago, Smal said: last season they underperformed, this season they are wildly overperforming. The reality is they are a mid to lower mid-table side since Nuno took over but their striker has had an unreal Nunez at Benfica-like season that will never happen again, and other teams haven’t scored as many against them as they should have. congrats to them, sometimes you get a bit of luck. Next season could be a disaster though with the extra games. The Forest fans I speak to are stunned they still up there and just enjoying it. They think there's no pressure to be in top 4, so are able to go out and just play without that pressure and it's coincided with good form and great work rate over time. They fully expect next season to be totally different, and difficult, especially if they get CL, and that it will be a struggle to keep it going. If they do get its great that us, Villa and Forest have managed to get in there (for a change!) - im still hopeful we can finish above City and Chelsea and grab 4th. I know City will be tough to finish ahead in particular, but with Haaland injured it helps our case... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted yesterday at 12:50 Share Posted yesterday at 12:50 Few random musings on Forest: - I wonder if Nuno being the former GK has some additional impact on Sels? - Murillo and Milenkovic are class CBs and am not surprised with them there. - Genuinely shocked Anderson has gotten on as a double pivot, as I felt he was quite poor defending deep for us but really a massive threat in the other half of the pitch with his aggression, strength and pressing. - I can see Forest upgrading Yates at some point. - Wood has been fucking class for them, but assume they will need to find a long-term replacement for him as he's only getting older. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted yesterday at 12:55 Share Posted yesterday at 12:55 Man oh man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted yesterday at 13:10 Share Posted yesterday at 13:10 If Forest make CL, wouldn’t be surprised to see them spend really big, as you’d suspect the fat cry baby in charge will gamble the house on them being able to get in again next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted yesterday at 13:33 Share Posted yesterday at 13:33 Stats wise Forest are much more similar to 2022/23 Man United with a better story. The problem for them and their style is the margins are so thin. They've scored first in 77% of their games. When they've conceded first they've won 0.50 points per game (league avg. is 0.73; NUFC at 1.13). They haven't trailed at halftime at home all season. In the five away games they've trailed at halftime they've earned one point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted yesterday at 13:51 Share Posted yesterday at 13:51 40 minutes ago, SteV said: If Forest make CL, wouldn’t be surprised to see them spend really big, as you’d suspect the fat cry baby in charge will gamble the house on them being able to get in again next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted yesterday at 13:53 Share Posted yesterday at 13:53 Forest won’t be able to spend big imo. But also probably not forced to sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted yesterday at 13:56 Share Posted yesterday at 13:56 1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on your point of view, they can’t quite be that reckless due to PSR, but I’d still see them doing something like selling Gibbs-White for £60/70m, then spending the £200m or so that it theoretically allows, and worrying later about how they’ll get the required increase in revenue in future seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted yesterday at 14:26 Share Posted yesterday at 14:26 Each time I see Anderson, it hurts me so much. Should’ve been a CM here for good majority of his 20s and we never got to really experience him because of the unfortunate injury last season Going to be more painful in seasons to come when he breaks into England team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted yesterday at 14:31 Share Posted yesterday at 14:31 1 hour ago, SteV said: If Forest make CL, wouldn’t be surprised to see them spend really big, as you’d suspect the fat cry baby in charge will gamble the house on them being able to get in again next season. How? Their owner isn’t as rich as some people make out. I think he’s the 15th richest owner in the Premier League. He also owns Olympiacos, which is his boyhood club, arguably the bigger club of the two teams. This is on top of the fact that he holds interests in other companies. His total net worth is about the same as what PIF are rumoured to be dropping on our new stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted yesterday at 14:42 Share Posted yesterday at 14:42 (edited) Nottingham Forestatistics Talk about N-O fun sponges being able taking the joy out of a situation where a non-cartel team are poking one in the eye of the cartel and denying them a CL spot. Have fans of other clubs dissected our league cup run using quantum physics level statistics and told us why we're lucky to have won a piece of silverware and it won't be repeated ? Forest are riding high with a counter attacking style of football, just enjoy it for what it is. Unless you're a Derby fan, obvz. Edited yesterday at 14:43 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted yesterday at 14:42 Share Posted yesterday at 14:42 9 minutes ago, Stifler said: How? Their owner isn’t as rich as some people make out. I think he’s the 15th richest owner in the Premier League. He also owns Olympiacos, which is his boyhood club, arguably the bigger club of the two teams. This is on top of the fact that he holds interests in other companies. His total net worth is about the same as what PIF are rumoured to be dropping on our new stadium. By gambling the CL income and/or the income from any sales they make. It’s effectively what they did when they got promoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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