RodneyCisse Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 I think Sheffield United, Luton Town and maybe Bournemouth would have Ten Hag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Comparing Eddie to Ten Hag, look where we were when Eddie took over compared to where we are now then do the same with Ten Hag and Man United whilst also looking at the cost of each squad, it’s not even up for debate who the better manager is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Sunderland can have him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Just now, gbandit said: Sunderland can have him Be class that, prob take them down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJbarnes Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 10 games into the season with the start we've had including man city in the LC, PSG, MIlan and Dortmund and with the injuries we've had, to be 6th feels like a pretty good place. Add to that the joint best goal difference in the league and which will effectively give us an extra point over man united, Brighton and west ham at the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 21 minutes ago, KingArthur said: You can't press with Maguire and Evans at cb. Exactly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 19 minutes ago, Geogaddi said: Comparing Eddie to Ten Hag, look where we were when Eddie took over compared to where we are now then do the same with Ten Hag and Man United whilst also looking at the cost of each squad, it’s not even up for debate who the better manager is. Not sure anyone compared the two. Quite hilarious to suggest it's not up for debate that Howe is a better manager than Ten Hag though. someone has forgotten where we were in 21/22. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, Froggy said: Not sure anyone compared the two. Quite hilarious to suggest it's not up for debate that Howe is a better manager than Ten Hag though. someone has forgotten where we were in 21/22. I actually don't think it's obvious, adjusted for transfer spend, he's improved anything. Man Utd's underlying numbers were not a radical improvement on 20-22, and they were likely fortunate to in the top four last year. His talent ID is not great and he's a known weirdo, which is why Spurs passed. He's obviously good at some stuff, but a lack of tactical evolution and/or flexibility is killing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingArthur Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 23 minutes ago, Froggy said: Exactly. Then the question is, why did some of your players push up to press, when the back 4 couldn't follow? Ten Hag doesn't have a control of his team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 ETH is a typical Dutchmen with no ability to galvanise a squad and a fanbase. Hes publicly fallen out with Cristiano, Maguire and Sancho. The squad doesn’t need that type of drama. Ole was not a coach or a tactician. But for a long time he managed to get (nearly) everyone at the club to pull in the same direction. That’s an under rated skill in management. Eddie has it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Just now, The College Dropout said: ETH is a typical Dutchmen with no ability to galvanise a squad and a fanbase. Hes publicly fallen out with Cristiano, Maguire and Sancho. The squad doesn’t need that type of drama. Ole was not a coach or a tactician. But for a long time he managed to get (nearly) everyone at the club to pull in the same direction. That’s an under rated skill in management. Eddie has it. I agree, it's a huge thing. It doesn't get you all the way there without talent but you win alot more games if spirit is on the upswing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Not really a concern as such but what could be the difference between top 5 and top 7, are games like these West Ham and Wolves matches. When we were drawing these sorts of games last season it was down to us not having enough to break them down at 0-0 or 1-1. If we scored two in those sorts of games we'd win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Optimistic Nut said: Not really a concern as such but what could be the difference between top 5 and top 7, are games like these West Ham and Wolves matches. When we were drawing these sorts of games last season it was down to us not having enough to break them down at 0-0 or 1-1. If we scored two in those sorts of games we'd win. With fitness and less injuries we probably win both. As a CL level team that comes with the territory. And we need to be better at defending leads with tired legs. IMO that means having a functional compact mid to low block. And/or being more comfortable keeping possession for possessions sake. Thats where having Bruno & Tonali would’ve been great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) Just realised that we have just taken 5 points from 5 in our away games.. They have been tough, but last season we took nearly as many points away from home as in our home games. Edited October 30, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Erikse said: Just realised that we have just taken 5 points from 5 in our away games.. They have been tough, but last season we took nearly as many points away from home as in our home games. If we hold at West Ham, I'd argue that 7 points from those games was fantastic. Man City is a virtual write off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 31 minutes ago, Erikse said: Just realised that we have just taken 5 points from 5 in our away games.. They have been tough, but last season we took nearly as many points away from home as in our home games. To be fair we took six points from the equivalent fixtures last year, subbing Leeds for Sheffield United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, The Prophet said: To be fair we took six points from the equivalent fixtures last year, subbing Leeds for Sheffield United. Sheffield United is way more of a free win than what any team was last season though, certainly Leeds away was tougher. West Ham is a bit stronger now maybe, but not that much. You're right though, hasn't been the best of fixtures, but we're literally 15th place in the away table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 On 01/10/2023 at 11:10, Coffee_Johnny said:Assumptions made are in Spoiler below. Reveal hidden contents Assuming we are aiming for a top six season, then taking 6th as a minimum target, here is a way of gauging when we will, on average, pick-up the 62 points likely to be required (average for PL). Categorising the teams (mainly on last season’s position) into four tiers and predicting we will pick-up (rounded-up) 9pts from T1 (all tiers ten games except 8 in Tier 1), 16 pts from Tier 2, 18pts from T3, and 19pts from T4 teams. Tier 1: 8 games 24 pts available, 9 predcited (1 win 2 draws 1 loss at H; 1 win 1 draw 2 losses Away = 5pts + 4 = 9pts). So, 1.25ppg at Home and 1.0ppg Away. Man City Arsenal Man Utd NUFC Liverpool Tier 2: 10 games 30 pts available, 16pts predicted (3 wins 1 draw 1 loss at Home; 2 wins, 0 draw, 3 losses Away =10 +6pts). So, 2.0ppg at Home and 1.2 ppg Away Brighton Aston Villa Spurs Brentford Chelsea Tier 3: 10 games 30 pts available, 18pts predicted (3 wins 1 draw 1 loss at H; 2 wins 2 draws 1 loss Away= 10+8pts). So, 2.0ppg at H ome and 1.6ppg Away. Palace Fulham Wolves West Ham Bournemouh Tier 4 10 games 30 pts available, 19pts predicted (3 wins and 2 draws at Home; 2 wins 2 draws 1 loss Away= 11+8pts) . So, 2.2ppg at H and 1.6ppg Away . Forest Everton Burnley Sheffield Utd Luton Remember this is a prediction for 6th. Taking into account the relative difficulty of games would mean the following pattern of picking up points at different stages of the season. The average points per month for the top five is also shown, just using number of games per month. I'll correct this as the games inevitably get moved around. The points per match are just indicative, it’s the points per month which will show how on track we are. Update on tracker towards a top six finish, taking account of the relative difficulty of games as they fall across the season. 17 points, at the end of October, puts us on track for a fifth place finish for the average PL season (assumptions in hidden content quoted). 6th would be 16 points to date. 4th would be 18 points, third 19, second 21 and first 23. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hovagod Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 56 minutes ago, Erikse said: Sheffield United is way more of a free win than what any team was last season though, certainly Leeds away was tougher. West Ham is a bit stronger now maybe, but not that much. You're right though, hasn't been the best of fixtures, but we're literally 15th place in the away table. Both Manchester clubs laboured to a win at Sheffield, just because we were excellent that day doesn’t make it a ‘free win’ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Yeah our only away win so far is against Sheffield, we definitely do need to make sure we are getting wins away from home against the bottom half teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) Aye, we have only played two bottom half teams away from home though. Edited October 30, 2023 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Some great posts in here today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Hovagod said: Both Manchester clubs laboured to a win at Sheffield, just because we were excellent that day doesn’t make it a ‘free win’ Southampton took points from top teams last season. No PL opponent is literally a free win, but you can't deny that Sheffield United is an easier fixture than what Leeds was, and probably also easier than what Southampton was. We're probably going to collect more points away from home going forward though, which we should if we want top 4 this season. Edited October 30, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Optimistic Nut Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 I started it but gave up after 3 matchdays, is someone able to work out Villa & Spurs' points swings in their like for like games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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