Nepharite Posted Tuesday at 12:59 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:59 Form is temporary, class is permanent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted Tuesday at 12:59 Share Posted Tuesday at 12:59 It’s blatantly obvious he’s not grafting anywhere near as much as previous seasons - I really want that AG back but I’ll be surprised if he’s here next season. I hope I’m wrong and we get to see that AG next season in a black and white shirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted Tuesday at 13:04 Share Posted Tuesday at 13:04 3 minutes ago, Paully said: It’s blatantly obvious he’s not grafting anywhere near as much as previous seasons - I really want that AG back but I’ll be surprised if he’s here next season. I hope I’m wrong and we get to see that AG next season in a black and white shirt. I doubt Howe would be starting him if his commtiment was anything less than 100%. Form is another matter but regardless, if he moves then we get a big fee. Personally I don't see it, I just think it's fans not happy with his end product right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted Tuesday at 13:06 Share Posted Tuesday at 13:06 8 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said: Tbf Palmer has 17 goals and 10 assists this season. Gordon has 8 goals and 6 assists. Don't really see a pile on. People just rightly pointing out that he's had a marked downturn in form this season. If people are booing him or getting on his back at the match then that's a different story entirely. Well everyone can see that,myself included.I'm objecting to the ' bad attitude' segment, you know, the body language experts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted Tuesday at 15:19 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:19 2 hours ago, TRon said: All the bad form or "poor attitude" will be forgotten in a second if he scores on Sunday. Honestly that's the only thing I am thinking about right now, especially with Isak potentially missing. No one will care about him having a poor season if he produces a winner against Everton. Simple as that. Maybe in that instance, but I won't simply forget it like. That's not to say I think we should sell him or anything. However, I would be expecting him to take the goal into some renewed form in the new season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted Tuesday at 15:22 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:22 2 hours ago, Holloway said: Well everyone can see that,myself included.I'm objecting to the ' bad attitude' segment, you know, the body language experts. Such a weird remark you keep making. Folk like myself could argue that you think you know more about body language by suggesting the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted Tuesday at 15:22 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:22 2 hours ago, Holloway said: Well everyone can see that,myself included.I'm objecting to the ' bad attitude' segment, you know, the body language experts. Like I said previously in this thread, his bad attitude for me is the way he reacts to fouls/non fouls. By the time he's stopped whinging and protesting, the game has moved on. It leaves us vulnerable and it's an easy attitude fix. Sean Longstaff does it, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted Tuesday at 15:27 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:27 3 minutes ago, Heron said: Such a weird remark you keep making. Folk like myself could argue that you think you know more about body language by suggesting the opposite. It isn't evident to me, obviously. There's nowt weird about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted Tuesday at 15:34 Share Posted Tuesday at 15:34 9 minutes ago, Rocker said: Like I said previously in this thread, his bad attitude for me is the way he reacts to fouls/non fouls. By the time he's stopped whinging and protesting, the game has moved on. It leaves us vulnerable and it's an easy attitude fix. Sean Longstaff does it, too. Yeah, a few of our players could do with getting up sooner if they're feigning . Without Tonali busting a gut to get back to defend, we'd be done on the counter way more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellis80 Posted Tuesday at 16:57 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:57 1 hour ago, Holloway said: It isn't evident to me, obviously. There's nowt weird about it I don’t think it’s a body language thing, it’s effort. For the goal on Sunday his effort to get the ball back after he lost it was awful and earlier in the thread someone mentioned he gave up on a ball and Livramento ran past him to get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted Tuesday at 17:20 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:20 Think the assist stat can be a bit unfair as it relies on another player to do the hardest thing to do on the pitch. Gordon put 2 balls across the box on Sunday that I reckon Murphy would’ve been in on (no guarantee of a shot on target, obvs).Barnes didn’t make the run. Isak has been a bit in and off. Gordon may have a couple more assists if Isak had been sharper/fitter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted Tuesday at 18:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:33 I wouldn't sell him unless we need to mind we know he has ability and can be a real threat. He's just been off it this season other than a few spells of form and I think he feels sorry for himself when not fit or injured because he can't effect the game like he normally does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted Tuesday at 19:01 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:01 Other than being a crybaby/slow to get up after he is challenged I dont think there is any problem with his workrate at all. And he had the same problem after being challenged last season aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted Tuesday at 19:02 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:02 Everton fans covering themselves in glory by attacking DCL’s wife online. They’re a particularly scummy bunch. That chasing of Gordon out of the city was one of the grimmest things I’ve seen a club’s fans do to one of their own Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted Tuesday at 20:31 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:31 1 hour ago, gbandit said: Everton fans covering themselves in glory by attacking DCL’s wife online. They’re a particularly scummy bunch. That chasing of Gordon out of the city was one of the grimmest things I’ve seen a club’s fans do to one of their own And he wasn't even playing at the time under lampard 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted Tuesday at 21:01 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:01 9 hours ago, Heron said: I was of the view at the time that Longstaff was being correctly utilised until Howe could tinker with the midfield and tactics to make Tonali into the player we all see. I still think that was right. (I KNOW - GET ME RIGHT! ) I totally disagreed with you then and I still do Mind even I'm surprised how little game time he has had for a good few months. He will be away this summer as we move onto the next stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted Tuesday at 21:18 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:18 (edited) Also on Gordon, I think his problem is that he takes everything to heart and mulls on things for a period of time. The debacle of his lack of game time in the summer from England and then seeing reports of possibly being sold, definitely affected him at the start of the season. Whether it was due to him being frustrated that the club was even considering the move or if he actually wanted the move, will probably come out in the future. Currently I think his form (same as start of the season) is most likely due to not being first choice again upon his return. We have seen at Brentford a couple of years ago that he can get very frustrated at relatively slight occurrences. I would neither be surprised if he is still here and has a great season next year or that he may be possibly sold if the club receive an offer they find acceptable. Any abuse of him through social media (and any player) is abhorrent. You will find that most of these people, will be ones who have a handful of games that they have attended. Edited Tuesday at 21:18 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted Tuesday at 21:27 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:27 25 minutes ago, et tu brute said: I totally disagreed with you then and I still do Mind even I'm surprised how little game time he has had for a good few months. He will be away this summer as we move onto the next stage. Yep, I think so too, and that would probably be right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gola Posted yesterday at 06:27 Share Posted yesterday at 06:27 Don't think he's been at it all season tbh, bar the arse cup games. I reckon that could be down to the fact that he'shardly had a break for about 2 and a half years though. Maybe after a decent break this summer his form will return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted yesterday at 07:04 Share Posted yesterday at 07:04 15 hours ago, Holloway said: It isn't evident to me, obviously. There's nowt weird about it You haven’t noticed the way he's constantly throwing himself to the ground these days at the slightest touch these days then staying down when there's evidently nothing wrong with him? Often needlessly reducing us to 10 men for a short while. Referees have clearly noticed anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted yesterday at 08:29 Share Posted yesterday at 08:29 1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said: You haven’t noticed the way he's constantly throwing himself to the ground these days at the slightest touch these days then staying down when there's evidently nothing wrong with him? Often needlessly reducing us to 10 men for a short while. Referees have clearly noticed anyway! He stays down too long, yes I've noticed.As for going down, Bruno draws multiple fouls every game,he's a master at it, but his attitude doesn't get questioned does it ? But my point here was more to do with people saying he wasn't fully applying himself since his move to Liverpool fell through, judged on his performances since,are talking bollocks. And if you think there was no pile on as I mentioned, have a look at the match thread, it's an embarrassment. Anyway, I have no more to add so I'll leave it be . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted yesterday at 08:51 Share Posted yesterday at 08:51 16 minutes ago, Holloway said: He stays down too long, yes I've noticed.As for going down, Bruno draws multiple fouls every game,he's a master at it, but his attitude doesn't get questioned does it ? But my point here was more to do with people saying he wasn't fully applying himself since his move to Liverpool fell through, judged on his performances since,are talking bollocks. And if you think there was no pile on as I mentioned, have a look at the match thread, it's an embarrassment. Anyway, I have no more to add so I'll leave it be . Again people are entitled to an opinion. I very much doubt he's read through the match thread on here and as long as he's not getting abuse from thw match going fans I fail to see the issue. People just reacting to what they were watching I suppose. I've noticed a downturn in his attitude and demeanour. Whether that's due to his head being turned by the Liverpool speculation or annoyance with himself for missing out on the biggest day in our history since 1955 I don't know but he's a different player to what he was last season. That's undeniable. I'll be there on Sunday and if he's on the pitch I'll get behind him 100% so in the grand scheme of things questioning his attitude on here makes sod all difference. If he gets stick inside the ground then that's a different story altogether. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago There was that moment he gave up on a ball that he could've kept in play (Tino did in the end). And when he lost the ball for the goal, he didn't have the reaction of a "oh shit I've lost the ball poorly here let me try and rectify", it was a 60% effort to get it back. It's that type of stuff people refer too about his attitude. I think a lot of it is down to his own frustration rather than a lack of care. His head gets down so he's that bit slow to react, assumes a negative outcome. And this is not really a defence because it's a level of mental fragility. He's not blessed with the talent to be so mentally fragile imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HayDen Traces Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago He'll come good. He's still feeling his way back in. He peaked this season right before the injury. Over the 2 legs vs Arsenal he was brilliant. Just needs to refind his mojo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago (edited) On 20/05/2025 at 22:18, et tu brute said: Also on Gordon, I think his problem is that he takes everything to heart and mulls on things for a period of time. The debacle of his lack of game time in the summer from England and then seeing reports of possibly being sold, definitely affected him at the start of the season. Whether it was due to him being frustrated that the club was even considering the move or if he actually wanted the move, will probably come out in the future. Currently I think his form (same as start of the season) is most likely due to not being first choice again upon his return. We have seen at Brentford a couple of years ago that he can get very frustrated at relatively slight occurrences. I would neither be surprised if he is still here and has a great season next year or that he may be possibly sold if the club receive an offer they find acceptable. Any abuse of him through social media (and any player) is abhorrent. You will find that most of these people, will be ones who have a handful of games that they have attended. What makes you think this? seen loads of people say shit like this based of no actual evidence. Every single interview makes him seem the complete opposite. Anthony Gordon has spoken about the books that have influenced his mindset, particularly regarding mental toughness and high-level sports. He has mentioned Winning by Tim Grover, Never Finished by David Goggins, and Life Force by Tony Robbins as having a significant impact on him. He also carries The Art of Winning and Leadership by Dan Carter with him when playing. “I can react from a higher perspective than my emotions, because being emotional in sport is no good.” “All I must do in the moment is to be present. I can trust my ability and not overthink it.” Gordon said: “I just love learning stuff, and throughout me growing up, I have taken a loving to learning about psychology.” He spoke about how after his career he could see himself trying his hand in the world of psychology. Gordon added: “I was speaking to a coach once, I think it’s my end calling that it may have something to do with that. “The psychology route, I think that may be my end goal, like I said I am so invested in that. Edited 7 hours ago by Slim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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