England’s Anthony Gordon

[MagPar]

52 minutes ago, Slim said:

Should we fine him for all the penalties he's won by diving since he joined us? 

I don't like cheating,it needs to be eliminated from the game all together. I don't know how to do that though. I'd just rather win a game through hard work and creativity up front instead of resorting to diving. 

 

I'm clearly in the minority though so what's the point in me arguing my case.

[Heron]

I tend to agree. There's a fine line between "winning fouls" and "diving" like. I actually think VAR has contributed to the former though as any contact is almost deemed legitimate means to go down and thus has professionalised cheating.

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3 hours ago, LFEE said:

He’s definitely adapted his game for VAR. When he stays down he’s playing the averages to get VAR to look at it more closely. As we know that only increases the chances of getting a decision.

 

 

Sad but completely true.

[TheBrownBottle]

Nothing wrong with 'buying' a foul with legitimate contact and being clever about it.  That's different from being a cheat - and AG leans towards the latter far too often. 

[Mazzy]

The whole diving thing is thrown at attackers/ the attacking team so often, but actually the most blatant dives are often committed in defensive situations by the defending team, they just never get looked at with th same scrutiny because they don't result in a goal or chance.

 

They are just as bad though, it's still cheating and those players are still conning the officials by diving. Refs need to wise up to it as it's becoming more and more common and incredibly tedious.

[Sibierski]

8 hours ago, Mazzy said:

 

 

They are just as bad though, it's still cheating and those players are still conning the officials by diving. Refs need to wise up to it as it's becoming more and more common and incredibly tedious.

Referee not falling for Marquinhos dive last week was great. Need to see more of it, if it’s a foul, VAR will call it up in same as penalties.

[MagPar]

Then there's the goalkeepers falling down at corners like they've been hit by a mortar shell when a striker lightly brushes their top/arm etc.  

[gbandit]

Will never be a fan of people diving and exaggerating stuff. The only thing I’d say in Gordon’s defence is that he does get targeted and has his feet clipped a lot when he cuts back inside. I just hate flopping and there’s no need for it, I do think he has improved since he was at Everton but that might be bias talking 

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12 minutes ago, gbandit said:

I just hate flopping and there’s no need for it, I do think he has improved since he was at Everton but that might be bias talking 

I think he was a lot better than he was at Everton, but has gotten worse again this season. Has been going for cheaper options while he was out of form.

[southernmag]

There needs to be a culture shift to get football away from the near constant rolling around on the floor, surrounding refs, all this immoral and moronic nonsense that tarnishes the game. I guess if the FA/PGMOL had the balls to enforce it, it could and likely would happen, and quickly.

 

Gordon's simply in the majority of modern footballers who are playing the system and trying to gain an advantage wherever they can get one. I don't like it one bit but I put more blame on the FA etc for standing idly by while this behavior goes on unchecked.

[nufcjmc]

Some of it to me is dark arts and the other is that when you stay on your feet the refs are more likely to say it's a 50/50 tussel and play on. I am sure we are pleased he's ours and not against us big Joe would easily get red carded against a player like Gordon "making a meal of it"

[southernmag]

1 minute ago, nufcjmc said:

Some of it to me is dark arts and the other is that when you stay on your feet the refs are more likely to say it's a 50/50 tussel and play on. I am sure we are pleased he's ours and not against us big Joe would easily get red carded against a player like Gordon "making a meal of it"

 

If refs came out and said there would be zero tolerance for all simulation (including exaggerating injury), and then enforced it with yellow and red cards where necessary, I'd bet there'd be some tantrums for a while before people quickly adapted and players started staying on their feet etc.

[Superior Acuña]

I thought the one where he got shoved in the second half could well have been a pen, but that's the kind of thing where his (deserved) reputation could go against him.

[nufcjmc]

13 minutes ago, southernmag said:

 

If refs came out and said there would be zero tolerance for all simulation (including exaggerating injury), and then enforced it with yellow and red cards where necessary, I'd bet there'd be some tantrums for a while before people quickly adapted and players started staying on their feet etc.

I think when your under pressure and trying to play out riding the challenge to try and break away or give your team a breather going down for a free kick it's a fine line. I don't like rolling around like you have been shot and would be all for a punishment. Cards for simulation don't happen often enough and var should assist refs when it's blatant. Issue is when there is slight contact and a player is going at pace it's hard to see it as much. 

 

Always subjective really as some more physical players brush off stuff and others draw a foul. 

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Bruno has came into issues more this season for not getting fouls this may be in part of his reputation. 

 

 

Edited May 13 by nufcjmc

[southernmag]

2 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

I think when your under pressure and trying to play out riding the challenge to try and break away or give your team a breather going down for a free kick it's a fine line. I don't like rolling around like you have ever shot and would be all for a punishment. Cards for simulation don't happen often enough and var should assist regs when it's blatant. Issue is when there is slight contact and a player is going at pace it's hard to see it as much. 

 

Always subjective really as some more physical players brush off stuff and others draw a foul. 

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Bruno has came into issues more this season for not getting fouls this may be in part of his reputation. 

 

Yeah common sense should apply when the simulation is unclear. I just think blatant diving and rolling around happens all the time and has been condoned to the point it's now ingrained in the game.

[nufcjmc]

1 minute ago, southernmag said:

 

Yeah common sense should apply when the simulation is unclear. I just think blatant diving and rolling around happens all the time and has been condoned to the point it's now ingrained in the game.

The two newcastle ones that spring to mind are the miggy one trying to get a pen last season launching himself in the air he was carded for as a bad example and the pen Gordon got when Phillips tried to clear the ball and got the player as a good example if he didn't react the way he did it may not have been reviewed at all. 

[The Bonk]

The first dive was ridiculous and it probably contributed to him not getting a call in the second half. I don't mind him deploying dark arts to get something if it's warranted. 

[TRon]

If everyone can get past their despair at his diving or whatever, he did actually cause Chelsea some real headaches in the first half. Looked very lively, and got them panicking a fair bit during that time.

[Yorkie]

Couldn't give a shiny shite about a bit of play-acting these days. Address the institutional bias against everyone outside 'the big six' and I might feel more strongly. 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Liability at times this lad & increasingly so 

[David Edgar]

Get back on the bench you absolute clogger. 

[Aiston]

Poor form since he came back from his red card.

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

Just now, David Edgar said:

Get back on the bench you absolute clogger. 

Was only saying man ffs 

[La Parka]

Been pretty average all season. Not sure what's up with him. Ever since the England call up and subsequent no show he's been a shadow. 

[Ronson333]

Usual Sunderland fans turn up..