Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[Stifler]

13 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

Is this a way around FFP?

 

https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/1768974255465632203?s=46&t=RaLdCRuzyWBbm603Y3eUgg

Would certainly suggest that Liverpool are looking into the multi club model.

[FloydianMag]

7 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Would certainly suggest that Liverpool are looking into the multi club model.

They are, Edward’s return was on that basis.

[Guest]

Are we still looking at a multi club model?

[TRon]

35 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

if it’s found to be against competition law in the uk it is bound to also the case in a EU court

 

That has to be the ultimate hope in breaking the cartel. PIF have said they are in for the long haul, maybe that is the end game they are looking at if nothing else works.

[r0cafella]

27 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Would certainly suggest that Liverpool are looking into the multi club model.

These costs are very small overall in the FFP thing, city are also doing that with a bunch of costs. 
 

if a club tries to do it with player’s salaries the rules willl be changed. 

[madras]

Just now, r0cafella said:

These costs are very small overall in the FFP thing, city are also doing that with a bunch of costs. 
 

if a club tries to do it with player’s salaries the rules willl be changed. 

Or If we try to do it the rules will be changed.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Just now, r0cafella said:

These costs are very small overall in the FFP thing, city are also doing that with a bunch of costs. 
 

if a club tries to do it with player’s salaries the rules willl be changed. 

I don’t see how they can.

 

as long as the salaries aren’t funnelled back into the club and there are 2 contracts in place there is nothing that could be done.

 

theyd be telling players what they can earn and also telling clubs that footballers have a minimum wage. Good luck with that in court

[r0cafella]

Just now, Colos Short and Curlies said:

I don’t see how they can.

 

as long as the salaries aren’t funnelled back into the club and there are 2 contracts in place there is nothing that could be done.

 

theyd be telling players what they can earn and also telling clubs that footballers have a minimum wage. Good luck with that in court

Wouldn’t such an arrangement fall under related part transactions and thus subject to FMV?

 

Basically if we tried to do it the League could in theory assign a salary for the player regardless of what we pay them (for FFP purposes). 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

I don’t see how.

 

players currently have 3rd party sponsorships etc and act as ambassadors for brands.

 

that relationship is outside of their contract with a club.

 

if they tried to go down the line of restricting what players can do they’d be straight in court.

 

The stumbling block would be getting players on board with it

 

edit and if they tried to set an artificial salary it causes all sorts issues with them essentially setting a minimum premier league salary

 

 

Edited March 16 by Colos Short and Curlies

[CityMCFC]

It's almost like FFP was solely brought in so the Premier League could maintain the status quo of the red shirt clubs and Chelsea. City fans had been saying it for years but nobody wanted to listen.

[gbandit]

As if Chelsea deserve anything, they should be locked in a football dungeon for doing more to ruin football than anyone else, whilst doing it with corrupt money only 

[Keegans Export]

56 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

I half in jest suggesting that we half all of our player wages but allow them to be ambassadors for pit companies who can pay them whatever they like.

 

would be untouchable by the premier league

Isn't that literally one of the charges facing Man City? That Pellegrini (?) was being paid by a "third party" that was essentially still the owners of MCFC? 

[Keegans Export]

3 hours ago, FloydianMag said:

I think they’re waiting for the right opportunity, simple as.

The right opportunity isn't when you've already been deducted points (Everton)? Forest are potentially a matter of months from being relegated for FFP breaches, how much longer do they plan to leave it? We've just been short changed by £20m in CL money because UEFAs coefficient handed Man Utd £25m and us a paltry four-and-a-bit. That's £20m that they can spend to pull further away.

 

At what point do you think this whole "Competition Law" thing is nowhere near as clear cut as some on here seem to believe? 

[Jaqen]

The worst part of FFP is just how boring it all is for fans. People watch the sport for an escape and entertainment not to calculate gate receipts and sponsorship deals to try and work out if you're allowed to sign a replacement for Sean Longstaff in the summer and which players you should try and sell based on amortisation value. 

[gbandit]

Just now, Jaqen said:

The worst part of FFP is just how boring it all is for fans. People watch the sport for an escape and entertainment not to calculate gate receipts and sponsorship deals to try and work out if you're allowed to sign a replacement for Sean Longstaff in the summer and which players you should try and sell based on amortisation value. 

This is it like, you watch sport to be surprised, to have hopes or dreams of where your team are going. Take all that away and it’s boring as fuck

[TRon]

16 minutes ago, CityMCFC said:

It's almost like FFP was solely brought in so the Premier League could maintain the status quo of the red shirt clubs and Chelsea. City fans had been saying it for years but nobody wanted to listen.

 

Of course that's why it was brought it, PL officials are basically employees of the cartel clubs. It's their job to look after their interests. Like all cartels, they will only be brought down by international courts or in the case of the Italian mafia, the armed forces would have to go in. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Although I wouldn't mind tbh.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

27 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

Isn't that literally one of the charges facing Man City? That Pellegrini (?) was being paid by a "third party" that was essentially still the owners of MCFC? 

the allegation here though is that he was being paid by a related party for work done for the club.

 

all we would have to do is to not have restrictions in contracts on who they can do work for and the link is broken.

 

it may be incredibly grey but it would be almost impossible for the league to legislate against

[Keegans Export]

4 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

the allegation here though is that he was being paid by a related party for work done for the club.

 

all we would have to do is to not have restrictions in contracts on who they can do work for and the link is broken.

 

it may be incredibly grey but it would be almost impossible for the league to legislate against

Just so I'm 100% clear on what you're suggesting - Player X is on £100k/week. We drop him down to £50k/week. Company Y then signs Player X to do some marketing, consulting, whatever and pay him £100k/week?

[FLUMPO235]

7 hours ago, gbandit said:

It feels like football is finally eating itself via the only thing that causes self-cannibalism, capitalism.

 

Strangely though, it’s a form of capitalism that’s somehow managed to attack itself. These few clubs at the very top are so incredibly greedy that they have found a way of stopping capitalism for others and only allowing it for themselves through a constant series of rule changes that are strangling the life out of football. 

 

sounds more like every model of communism that’s ever been implemented. 
 

all animal are equal, but some are more equal than others? 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

1 hour ago, Keegans Export said:

Just so I'm 100% clear on what you're suggesting - Player X is on £100k/week. We drop him down to £50k/week. Company Y then signs Player X to do some marketing, consulting, whatever and pay him £100k/week?

It would be brand ambassador type of work, but yes.

 

it’s happened since day dot, look how many of our players wore Asics back in the day.

 

This would simply be totally coincidental partnerships with companies who are willing to pay too dollar for premier league footballer endorsements.

[Dr.Spaceman]

2 hours ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

I half in jest suggesting that we half all of our player wages but allow them to be ambassadors for pit companies who can pay them whatever they like.

 

would be untouchable by the premier league

 

I said this about Tonali ages ago. Why are we paying him right now to be a footballer?

[Colos Short and Curlies]

12 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

I said this about Tonali ages ago. Why are we paying him right now to be a footballer?

that would be different, he’s got a contract already and we’d be a very sticky wicket trying anything there 

[Wolfcastle]

2 hours ago, Jaqen said:

The worst part of FFP is just how boring it all is for fans. People watch the sport for an escape and entertainment not to calculate gate receipts and sponsorship deals to try and work out if you're allowed to sign a replacement for Sean Longstaff in the summer and which players you should try and sell based on amortisation value. 

 

2 hours ago, gbandit said:

This is it like, you watch sport to be surprised, to have hopes or dreams of where your team are going. Take all that away and it’s boring as fuck

Every generation before now could at least dream of being something much more than they currently are. Even if it was a pipedream. To build on a success, build slowly to be a force, for sustainable better times, heck you could even fear a fall from grace.

Not now.

[madras]

I'd like the club to come out in public with something along the lines of "We want to invest without loading debt on the club but we aren't allowed to, we cant use sponsors like others have used to achieve their positions, a rule that was strengthened mid season seemingly just for us.  We've seen how the coefficient system with UEFA has clubs awarded prize money not in accordance with their achievements......how is this fair ?"

[FloydianMag]

5 hours ago, Keegans Export said:

The right opportunity isn't when you've already been deducted points (Everton)? Forest are potentially a matter of months from being relegated for FFP breaches, how much longer do they plan to leave it? We've just been short changed by £20m in CL money because UEFAs coefficient handed Man Utd £25m and us a paltry four-and-a-bit. That's £20m that they can spend to pull further away.

 

At what point do you think this whole "Competition Law" thing is nowhere near as clear cut as some on here seem to believe? 

That’s exactly the time to challenge the rules, when you believe you’ve been wronged……but then again you can appease those that operate e within a cartel.

within a cartel……or you can grow some balls. And challenge the twats.

 

 

Edited March 16 by FloydianMag