Financial Fair Play / Profit & Sustainability

[duo]

Not sure if posted https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/anchoring-new-ffp-rule-damage-big-six-premier-league-boost-newcastle-3023413

[Nobody]

Something like the new rule sounds so much more fair than the bullshit FFP we've seen up until now. 5x seems a tad too much though, but whatever, it would put everyone on a much more level playing field and allow any even the newly promoted teams to spend and be ambitious if they sustain it.

Can't work along with the 70/85% rules they are bringing in as well if there's points deductions for breaking that.

Actually, it would work pretty well to have the rumoured "Luxury Tax" on the 85/70% rule, and then point deductions for the 5x Lowest Income rule.

[cubaricho]

If Southampton got ~105m and the cap is set at x5 that number, doesn’t that mean we (and any other club potentially) inflate our wage and transfer (and the other bullshit) bill to circa 500m and that’s why it’s good for us? UEFA not withstanding. 
 

We’re currently stuck around 350 right?

 

 

Edited April 29 by cubaricho

[Nobody]

1 minute ago, cubaricho said:

If Southampton got ~105m and the cap is set at x5 that number, doesn’t that mean we (and any other club potentially) inflate our wage and transfer (and the other bullshit) bill to circa 500m and that’s why it’s good for us? UEFA not withstanding. 
 

We’re currently stuck around 350 right?

 

 

 

Not as long as the 85% of your turnover still stands, which at the moment it does. It would only affect Man City and Chelsea currently I think.

[Jackie Broon]

1 minute ago, cubaricho said:

If Southampton got ~105m and the cap is set at x5 that number, doesn’t that mean we (and any other club potentially) inflate our wage and transfer (and the other bullshit) bill to circa 500m and that’s why it’s good for us? UEFA not withstanding. 
 

We’re currently stuck around 350 right?

 

 

 

 

It's good because it limits the spending at the very top without limiting us, we're a long way off being able to inflate our income to the point where it becomes an issue for us. It gives us more of a chance to catch up.

 

 

[Miggys First Goal]

Apologies if this has already been posted. Lots of financial charts in this thread. 
 

 

[Nobody]

10 minutes ago, Nobody said:

Actually, it would work pretty well to have the rumoured "Luxury Tax" on the 85/70% rule, and then point deductions for the 5x Lowest Income rule.

Sorry to quote myself, but honestly this makes so much sense that I’m sure the PL hasn't even thought about it, and id they did they discarded it straight away.

Would mean that any team can only spend what they themselves can currently afford without having to pay fines down the pyramid, so it stops absolute chancers coming in and trying to have a one off great season with money they might not have.

But at the same time it allows the likes of us, Villa, West Ham etc to be as ambitious as the ones at the absolute top without worrying about points deductions.

[brummie]

Apparently, we voted against, alongside Man United and Man City.

 

I couldnt figure why, but this thread is interesting reading.

 

 

[timeEd32]

14 minutes ago, brummie said:

Apparently, we voted against, alongside Man United and Man City.

 

I couldnt figure why, but this thread is interesting reading.

 

 

 

That thread is predicated on a massive assumption that is likely false. 

[Nobody]

17 minutes ago, brummie said:

Apparently, we voted against, alongside Man United and Man City.

 

I couldnt figure why, but this thread is interesting reading.

 

 

But the UEFA punishments aren't that bad IIRC, and Villa will obviously increase their revenue so I wouldn't be too worried. Even after reading that, it feels like your owners has picked the wrong side on this one. 

[Jackie Broon]

15 minutes ago, brummie said:

Apparently, we voted against, alongside Man United and Man City.

 

I couldnt figure why, but this thread is interesting reading.

 

 

 

The thread seems to completely missunderstand that the spending cap is in additiion to the profit and sustainability rules, not instead of them. And the PL are replacing the current profit and sustainability rules with rules that are aligned with UEFA's.

 

No clue why Villa would vote against the spending cap, I can't see how it's anything but good for any club other than Man City, Chelsea and possibly Man U because they're the only clubs that are anywhere near the spanding cap limit.

[Terrymac1966]

Toon Toon Black and White Army ?

[FLUMPO235]

8 minutes ago, Terrymac1966 said:

Toon Toon Black and White Army ?

Due to ffp restrictions, we can now only  amortise one times toon, not toon, toon. 

[Terrymac1966]

Just now, FLUMPO235 said:

Due to ffp restrictions, we can now only  amortise one times toon, not toon, toon. 

Sorry toon t-oo-n and add on a bit if youre not from 5un1and

[Wolfcastle]

3 hours ago, Terrymac1966 said:

Really?

So more years in the doldrums is appealing?

 

No, it was stated in the post, continuing on how we have been building nicely and steadily which has brought us champions league football already, unless you consider that doldrums

[Nobody]

9 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

No, it was stated in the post, continuing on how we have been building nicely and steadily which has brought us champions league football already, unless you consider that doldrums

In an era where we've already got Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd (plus PSG, Barcelona and Real Madrid), what would even 'doing a Man City/Chelsea' look like these days? Like we wouldn't have been able to price Foden out of City for less than what PIF bought our entire club for probably.

[Erikse]

2 hours ago, brummie said:

Apparently, we voted against, alongside Man United and Man City.

 

I couldnt figure why, but this thread is interesting reading.

 

 

 

If this was true, we would also be at a disadvantage qualifying for Europe.. We were the ones who proposed this whole thing, weren't we?

[Fatwax]

Surely Real Madrid, both Milans, PSG, Barca, Atletico etc aren’t at 70% for wages to turnover or whatever it is going to be.

 

How can they run a competition where pretty much all or most major players are breaking that rule?

[r0cafella]

1 hour ago, Fatwax said:

Surely Real Madrid, both Milans, PSG, Barca, Atletico etc aren’t at 70% for wages to turnover or whatever it is going to be.

 

How can they run a competition where pretty much all or most major players are breaking that rule?

Some of them are and they are punished accordingly. The big difference here is Uefa isn’t so draconian with punishments. 
 

The premier league has only recently become so draconian because of our emergence. As you will note the league was silent when Chelsea and City were doing it. Basically the big boys club is full now so something had to be done. 

[Fatwax]

54 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Some of them are and they are punished accordingly. The big difference here is Uefa isn’t so draconian with punishments. 
 

The premier league has only recently become so draconian because of our emergence. As you will note the league was silent when Chelsea and City were doing it. Basically the big boys club is full now so something had to be done. 

Is it just fines? If so can’t we follow suit and take the fines? Or have any of these guys been ejected?

[r0cafella]

12 minutes ago, Fatwax said:

Is it just fines? If so can’t we follow suit and take the fines? Or have any of these guys been ejected?

You can be banned for a season too, this had happened before but it takes a few serious breaches. 
 

PSG are the perfect example, they’ve lost 600m euro in the last 3 years yet here we are. 
 

They had Messi Neymar and Mbappe on payroll ffs.

[Ben]

What a mess, imagine the shit storm if Forest get relegated and take the EPL to court, not to mention Leicester losing points before they even get back into the league. In the meantime Chelsea and Man City just do what they want 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Fatwax said:

Surely Real Madrid, both Milans, PSG, Barca, Atletico etc aren’t at 70% for wages to turnover or whatever it is going to be.

 

How can they run a competition where pretty much all or most major players are breaking that rule?

 

The big punishments only seem to come when one of them have a poor domestic season and they drop into a lower competition. Haven't Juve and Milan been banned from the Europa Conference and Europa League in recent years?

 

Conveniently never the Champions League.

[brummie]

It's pretty unimpressive the way the Premier League have managed to box themselves into such a car crash of a mess on this.

 

We now have:

• a multiple championship winner with 115 charges of financial misconduct against them, none of which have yet been addressed, and which, should they be upheld, cast serious doubt on the validity of the Premier League final tables of the last decade plus. 
• whilst the above mentioned club hasn't been tackled, or has managed to tie the PL up legally for several years, we now have had two clubs docked points halfway through a season, one punishment having been changed, just to add more confusion.
• a club which has just been promoted to the Premier League, which also has outstanding charges against it
• an existing system which has only served to allow the 'big six' to accumulate the wealth and pull the ladders up, thus making the league even less competitive than it was beforehand
• a current system which has resulted in as much time being spent talking about football finances as is spent on the actual football.

 

I thought the bad things about the Premier League -  sapping every last penny of our finances, multi broadcaster tv rights requiring three subscriptions, matches at 8 on a Saturday night, the total disregard of supporters to the point they're really just considered customers, the random fixture movements, all those bad things, I thought the flip side would be that the league is as well managed as it is marketed. 

 

And these are just financial things - then there's the absolute cack-handed introduction of VAR, random pauses staring at lines on screen, 5 minute gaps between goals being scored and actual celebrations.

 

Turns out, these guys are every bit as clueless as the local small businessmen done good who ran football during the 1980s.

 

 

[janpawel]

3 minutes ago, brummie said:

It's pretty unimpressive the way the Premier League have managed to box themselves into such a car crash of a mess on this.

 

We now have:

• a multiple championship winner with 115 charges of financial misconduct against them, none of which have yet been addressed, and which, should they be upheld, cast serious doubt on the validity of the Premier League final tables of the last decade plus. 
• whilst the above mentioned club hasn't been tackled, or has managed to tie the PL up legally for several years, we now have had two clubs docked points halfway through a season, one punishment having been changed, just to add more confusion.
• a club which has just been promoted to the Premier League, which also has outstanding charges against it
• an existing system which has only served to allow the 'big six' to accumulate the wealth and pull the ladders up, thus making the league even less competitive than it was beforehand
• a current system which has resulted in as much time being spent talking about football finances as is spent on the actual football.

 

I thought the bad things about the Premier League -  sapping every last penny of our finances, multi broadcaster tv rights requiring three subscriptions, matches at 8 on a Saturday night, the total disregard of supporters to the point they're really just considered customers, the random fixture movements, all those bad things, I thought the flip side would be that the league is as well managed as it is marketed. 

 

And these are just financial things - then there's the absolute cack-handed introduction of VAR, random pauses staring at lines on screen, 5 minute gaps between goals being scored and actual celebrations.

 

Turns out, these guys are every bit as clueless as the local small businessmen done good who ran football during the 1980s.

 

 

Well said