Match Atmosphere

[christ]

Just now, jack j said:

That's me in the green polo next to the lad holding the end of the banner on the rapist side haha

Think I was behind the S or H in Ashley.

[Wandy]

36 minutes ago, Heron said:

Great post.

 

Thomas from the flags has an increasingly good relationship not only with the club but with the NUST of which he was a part of and also various other fan led organisations.

 

Similar discussions have been had within our WhatsApp on numerous occasions and likewise happened after the final, and I think this is something we will be looking to discuss with the club, even just to give our opinion of what we think would work. However, it's important the club canvas opinion from the whole, match going fanbase primarily with a view to perhaps extending that afterwards. Fans such as your good selves.

 

The flags are keen to not be seen as "the voice of the fans" as that has never been ohr intention. However, as people trying to make and improve the atmosphere it'd be nice to be part of the discussion.

I would be quite comfortable with WF being seen as the voice of the fans, to be honest mate. Really glad to hear that this issue is something that is being brought up though. I think Wembley has just turned the dial up on how bad things have become tbh.

 

Not gonna lie, I cancelled my NUST membership a while ago as I thought they had no credibility, especially after the fan share fantasy. I will now re-engage though and might send a few emails of my own.

[pedro111]

27 minutes ago, Wandy said:

It’s starting to look increasingly clear that a lot of the people who we want back in SJP….but are currently locked out….were at least down in London in the bars and at Trafalgar Square. That’s very encouraging to me as it shows that none of these people have simply walked away from football for good.

 

Well, I can only speak for myself and I am one of them. I have seen estimates that up to 100k toon fans were in London so it makes sense. I had no chance of a ticket but just had to be there to experience it. I know on my train back Sunday morning there were quite a few people who had done the same as me. I spoke to a few and they were all gutted to not be going to the match but were glad to feel that connection to the club and pride again. I also mentioned in another thread that there were seven of my mates who are proper old school mags been going for decades who were down and set the pubs ablaze pre match but had to watch the game in a boozer. I can probably count in double figures the number of people I know who sacked it off when Ashley killed everything we know and love about this club who are actively trying to get back in amongst it. Hell I am even having thoughts of getting my ST back.

 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by pedro111

[Wullie]

"Fat cockney rapist"  still cracks me up.

 

[Heron]

Just now, Wandy said:

I would be quite comfortable with WF being seen as the voice of the fans, to be honest mate. Really glad to hear that this issue is something that is being brought up though. I think Wembley has just turned the dial up on how bad things have become tbh.

 

Not gonna lie, I cancelled my NUST membership a while ago as I thought they had no credibility, especially after the fan share fantasy. I will now re-engage though and might send a few emails of my own.

I do think the NUST is the best channel to take with regards to individual fan activism if you like. However, that's not to say we won't try and voice the same concerns that we also share.

 

I've mentioned it today and I think we'll be following up this next week with some more informal discussion via our contacts. Will let yous know if anything comes of it.

[HaydnNUFC]

49 minutes ago, christ said:

Honestly man. It was just after he renamed the stadium. I rocked up to the match and one of the lads who sat the row in front asked if I’d mind holding up a banner at kick off. Aye, no problem. Didn’t ask what was on it.

 

Fortunately you could only see my knuckles on the photo that someone took.

 

EDIT: Found it

 

 

 

 

Was wondering what game that was at so had a hunt. Was from Peterborough (H) in the Hughton Championship season. A quick look at the .com report:

 

"Attendance: 43,067 including 2,600 visiting fans. Mike Ashley was in his usual Directors Box seat.

Before kickoff, a presentation was made on the pitch to Magpies physio Derek Wright, marking 25 years of service to the club. And with this being the weekend of Remembrance Sunday, both teams took part in a pre-match minute's silence in memory of the victims of conflict. 

Protest was the order of the day, with the largest show of anti-Ashley feeling since the Hull City home game of September 2008 (which followed confirmation of Kevin Keegan's departure as manager).

The pre-game demonstration outside Old Milburn Reception was smaller than on that occasion, but inside the ground the mood was more volatile than at any time previously. Stewards intervened to force the removal of banners in the Strawberry Corner, Gallowgate End Lower and Leazes Corner Level Seven sections.

Slogans displayed: "Ashley Out" "NOT WANTED @ ST.JAMES' PARK", "St.Robson, St.Shearer, St.James" and "Fat Cockney Rapist". 

The unfurling of the latter caused most reaction from police, stewards and fans - with supporters split between those who thought it an apt description of the owner's behaviour towards NUFC. Others meanwhile - including ourselves - took exception to the terminology, if not the sentiment.

From what we could see, stewards looked to be taking notes of seat numbers in the vicinity of the protests. It remains to be seen what - if any - action is directed towards those fans, but we're concerned about the interpretation of "involvement" here: if someone unfurls a banner in your vicinity, are you automatically presumed to be a part of the protest?

Vocally, the support at 0-0 was tremendous and originated from home fans themselves, rather than being provoked by the travelling contingent - as has been the case in some games. Encouragement to the team and abuse of the owner was pegged at roughly 50/50, with a large shout of "Stand up for St.James' Park" echoing round just before the first goal - strongly supported behind both goals, but less so elsewhere.

At 2-0 up the first banners started appearing and if anything the "get out of our club" refrains grew louder - more fans presumably feeling confident at protesting with the home side totally dominating proceedings. 

PS: it could be argued that the current security arrangements at SJP contributed to the problems inside the ground on Saturday, with the reduced stewarding and automatic ticketing allowing fans to take banners in. 

Contrast that to a number of away grounds this season - notably The Hawthorns on opening day - where similarly-sized items were confiscated from Newcastle supporters queuing to gain admission. "

[Kid Icarus]

12 minutes ago, jack j said:

That's me in the green polo next to the lad holding the end of the banner on the rapist side haha

 

11 minutes ago, christ said:

Think I was behind the S or H in Ashley.

Flag snitches, tellin' all their business, sit in the court and be their own star witness.

"Do you see the perpetrator?"

"Yeah I'm right here!"

Fuck around get L7 ruled out for years.

[Wandy]

3 minutes ago, pedro111 said:

 

Well, I can only speak for myself and I am one of them. I have seen estimates that up to 100k toon fans were in London so it makes sense. I had no chance of a ticket but just had to be there to experience it. I know on my train back Sunday morning there were quite a few people who had done the same as me. I spoke to a few and they were all gutted to not be going to the match but were glad to feel that connection to the club and pride again. I also mentioned in another thread that there were seven of my mates who are proper old school mags been going for decades who were down and set the pubs ablaze pre match but had to watch the game in a boozer. I can probably count in double figures the number of people I know who sacked it off when Ashley killed everything we know and love about this club who are actively trying to get back in amongst it. Hell I am even having thoughts of getting my ST back.

 

We simply have got to get these people back inside SJP man.

 

My mate was one of them that went down without a ticket too. He also cannot get his ST back. He was lucky enough to be gifted a Wembley ticket at the last minute though. He is as ferociously critical of the current SJP matchday atmosphere as me. His verdict on Sunday was that the pre-match 10 minutes were as good as he has ever heard but after that it was completely flat. He did say that the two goals completely deflated everyone though.

[Whitley mag]

6 minutes ago, pedro111 said:

 

Well, I can only speak for myself and I am one of them. I have seen estimates that up to 100k toon fans were in London so it makes sense. I had no chance of a ticket but just had to be there to experience it. I know on my train back Sunday morning there were quite a few people who had done the same as me. I spoke to a few and they were all gutted to not be going to the match but were glad to feel that connection to the club and pride again. I also mentioned in another thread that there were seven of my mates who are proper old school mags been going for decades who were down and set the pubs ablaze pre match but had to watch the game in a boozer. I can probably count in double figures the number of people I know who sacked it off when Ashley killed everything we know and love about this club who are actively trying to get back in amongst it. Hell I am even having thoughts of getting my ST back.

 

 

 

Agree with this I was lucky enough to end up in club Wembley and far from being full of the prawn sandwich brigade, it was full of older lads who’d clearly had to resort to paying through the nose.

 

As I mentioned in the match thread the Blaydon Races went up in one of the posh bars pre match and was the only time I heard it all day apart from in the Wetherspoons on Baker Street beforehand.

[NE27]

1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

Agree with this I was lucky enough to end up in club Wembley and far from being full of the prawn sandwich brigade, it was full of older lads who’d clearly had to resort to paying through the nose.

 

As I mentioned in the match thread the Blaydon Races went up in one of the posh bars pre match and was the only time I heard it all day apart from in the Wetherspoons on Baker Street beforehand.

 

It's actually criminal when you think about it. And no, I didn't start a rendition myself so I'm as much to blame tbf.

 

I'll keep an eye on this thread and try and think up some ideas myself to try and give this legs as Sunday really brought this to the fore.

[Whitley mag]

Just now, NE27 said:

 

It's actually criminal when you think about it. And no, I didn't start a rendition myself so I'm as much to blame tbf.

 

I'll keep an eye on this thread and try and think up some ideas myself to try and give this legs as Sunday really brought this to the fore.

Without a doubt it’s like the scousers ditching you’ll never walk alone or city ditching blue moon, I just can’t understand it especially when we’re struggling for songs at the minute.

 

The Geordie boot boys got an airing on Sunday in Wembley which was great, but songs like Howay The Lads are so simple and unique to us it’s so sad we don’t sing them anymore.

[pedro111]

@Heron is the embodiment of how every fan on this forum feels about this football club and this city. Speaking for myself I can say that he has the balls and wherewithal to really make a difference. Something I could only dream of. I know he has said that he will put in a word (and that's great) and that he wants to focus on wor flags but in my opinion the flags and atmosphere go hand in hand. His experience and knowledge of dealing with the club and his all round passion for NUFC is unmatched and could be key if he were to take some kind of a formal lead role in any plans going forward. I realise that it is easy for me to say this and that he is probably sick of all the effort but the man's a star and there is no one better.

 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by pedro111

[NUFC91]

36 minutes ago, Wandy said:

I would be quite comfortable with WF being seen as the voice of the fans, to be honest mate. Really glad to hear that this issue is something that is being brought up though. I think Wembley has just turned the dial up on how bad things have become tbh.

 

Not gonna lie, I cancelled my NUST membership a while ago as I thought they had no credibility, especially after the fan share fantasy. I will now re-engage though and might send a few emails of my own.

 

I've just emailed the Trust again actually re ideas 

[Wandy]

3 minutes ago, pedro111 said:

@Heron is the embodiment of how every fan on this forum feels about this football club and this city. Speaking for myself I can say that he has the balls and wherewithal to really make a difference. Something I could only dream of. I know he has said that he will put in a word (and that's great) and that he wants to focus on wor flags but in my opinion the flags and atmosphere go hand in hand. His experience and knowledge of dealing with the club and his all round passion for NUFC is unmatched and could be key if he were to take some kind of a formal lead role in any plans going forward. I realise that it is easy for me to say this and that he is probably sick of all the effort but the man's a star and there is no one better.

Very much agree. To be honest, the flags on Sunday were truly incredible and I felt such pride watching them in the boozer. If we can get the noise back to match the level of the displays we will be in a really great place as a fanbase.

[pedro111]

4 minutes ago, Wandy said:

Very much agree. To be honest, the flags on Sunday were truly incredible and I felt such pride watching them in the boozer. If we can get the noise back to match the level of the displays we will be in a really great place as a fanbase.

 

100% this.

[Wolfcastle]

I don't think its as bad as people think. Compared to anything in contemporary times it isn't.

If you watch other matches with the same critical eye as you put on our own you'd see that.

Liverpool v Real Madrid in the CL last week wasn't even average SJP standards and Wales v England in the rugby, a massive game, even the commentators talked about how it wasn't very loud.

Check Man City out this weekend,

 

Compared to the 90s and earlier everywhere is worse now. Its sad but we shouldn't beat ourselves up over such a concept. The times have changed, for the worse, most things in football have but that was the case 20years ago too. I've just moved on personally and accepting various elements for what it is. Its like not enjoying ASM because he cant lace Ginola's boots.

Not to say I'm not all for improving it. But its never coming back to that level. Nor is Anfield whatever you do or anywhere else.

 

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Wolfcastle

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, Wolfcastle said:

I don't think its as bad as people think. Compared to anything in contemporary times it isn't.

If you watch other matches with the same critical eye as you put on our own you'd see that.

Liverpool v Real Madrid in the CL last week wasn't even average SJP standards and Wales v England in the rugby, a massive game, even the commentators talked about how it wasn't very loud.

Check Man City out this weekend,

 

Compared to the 90s and earlier everywhere is worse now. Its sad but we shouldn't beat ourselves up over such a concept.

All for improving it. But its never coming back to that level. Nor is Anfield whatever you do or anywhere else.

 

Hard to judge simply by watching on TV. Many a time I've been at the match and thought the atmosphere was canny only to watch it back over on TV and for it to come over flat as a fart.

[pedro111]

I thought the atmosphere at Liverpool v Madrid was pretty electric first half to be honest.

[Wandy]

2 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

I don't think its as bad as people think. Compared to anything in contemporary times it isn't.

If you watch other matches with the same critical eye as you put on our own you'd see that.

Liverpool v Real Madrid in the CL last week wasn't even average SJP standards and Wales v England in the rugby, a massive game, even the commentators talked about how it wasn't very loud.

Check Man City out this weekend,

 

Compared to the 90s and earlier everywhere is worse now. Its sad but we shouldn't beat ourselves up over such a concept.

All for improving it. But it’s never coming back to that level. Nor is Anfield whatever you do or anywhere else.

Hear what you are saying, but just because almost everywhere is dreadful doesn’t mean that we should accept it. We can get it to at least 75% as good as it was just 20 years ago. And it’s already been pointed out that there is still an excellent atmosphere at places like Elland Road, City Ground and even Old Trafford.

[Whitley mag]

9 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

I don't think its as bad as people think. Compared to anything in contemporary times it isn't.

If you watch other matches with the same critical eye as you put on our own you'd see that.

Liverpool v Real Madrid in the CL last week wasn't even average SJP standards and Wales v England in the rugby, a massive game, even the commentators talked about how it wasn't very loud.

Check Man City out this weekend,

 

Compared to the 90s and earlier everywhere is worse now. Its sad but we shouldn't beat ourselves up over such a concept. The times have changed, for the worse, most things in football have but that was the case 20years ago too. I've just moved on personally and accepting various elements for what it is. Its like not enjoying ASM because he cant lace Ginola's boots.

Not to say I'm not all for improving it. But its never coming back to that level. Nor is Anfield whatever you do or anywhere else.

 

 

 

For the big games the scousers still create a good atmosphere at Anfield. The Kop will usually stand for the full match and if you compare it to our equivalent big match at home this season Southampton, I think anfield would win hands down at the minute.

 

Elland Road still has a bristling atmosphere in the South Stand we can have something similar, though it may not be like past years it has to be better than currently.

[LFEE]

 

[Superior Acuña]

8 hours ago, Big River said:

 

bit hypocritical though, considering TOON is the only thing that makes it unique to us  done properly I think it could be quite good. a bit Valerenga if it was slower and properly timed.

 

I honestly don't know what the solution is. I know Arsenal worked with a fan group to take steps in improving the atmosphere, and it seems to have helped. can anyone who was down at the Emirates this season confirm? there's an article about it here: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/21144366/arsenal-emirates-atmosphere-pints-anthem/

Yes - I always thought of Arsenal fans as being shit and was surprised by the atmosphere there. It was actually so loud m that it made it difficult for us to get the away end going cos they’d drown us out a lot of the time. 

[Superior Acuña]

8 hours ago, Bellis80 said:

Moving the away fans downstairs would be the only thing that would make a difference for me and can’t see that being an option or anyone wanting it.

i always thought the saving grace when it’s quiet at ours is you can’t hear the away fans. I’d rather have a quiet atmosphere than a loud one supporting the away team.

 

im not convinced it’d spring the home fans into action - when we’re loud away it rarely encourages the home fans, it just means geordie voices dominate 

[Kanj]

This is quite an interesting read, this thread. Fwiw at Wembley the Man United fans around me in the mixed zone basically said their fans were shite in comparison to our support. One had a grandad (who passed away) who was a Geordie and he was a bit in tears watching our flags and support. 

[AJ9]

Good thread and agree with the points made in the original post. While I kind of joked about the atmosphere argument in the Carabao cup thread, it is a genuine issue within our fanbase and has been for long before even the Ashley years IMO.

 

For reference, we had a season ticket in the family from about 2002 - 2009. It was mine for the first few years as a 15/16 year old, and I sat right in the middle of the Gallowgate, upper tier. A typical atmosphere back then was, in my opinion, still pretty shite. We had a big roar at the start of the game, groans going at every mistake, a bit more noise when we got a corner/free kick or something controversial happened, and occasions where the place took off.

 

I had been waiting for years to get in and had been managing to get home tickets and away tickets as I was one of The Mag sellers and I sold pretty well round the pubs and the ground, so got taken to games where I was used to the atmosphere being rowdy.

 

However, my experience of those around me in the Gallowgate was this -

- Old man behind that used to shout at me every 2 second to sit down (at corners, during chants etc. - sure I shared a story of having a pie lobbed at me by the awld cahnt).

- Middle aged bloke who used to come in 20 mins late pissed as fuck, down 10 mins before half time for another pint, barely making it up the steps.

- Radge old guy next to me that did sing when on top but was irate every time a mistake was made

- Two middle aged women in front who spent the whole game smoking fags

- Some lass occasionally that was sat knitting

 

So there were loads of times when as a lad then I was left hanging with chants and eventually I decided to not give a fuck, but most people would just stop. So we absolutely have to find a place for the rowdy fans to get together BUT we must also try to be as inclusive as possible so people don't just leave it up to the standing area to take on. I've been to Ibrox and seen the Union Bears sing all game, but quite often you only hear them, even went to see them play away at Ross County before christmas and the away end was quiet except the Union Bears - I think for that reason.

 

While I do think part of the answer is moving people around there are some other things that might help too.

 

1. If somehow there was a group of people up for revising old songs, thinking up new chants, sharing clips on social media, getting a buzz at away games, trying to get the fans up for challenges (see how long we can keep something going etc.) - connecting to our history and heritage. Or new mass participation chants that are simple to emulate (kind of like the thunderclap but not that because it has been done)

2. If somehow the flag displays that start before kick off could somehow be used during the match. We saw how class it was at Wembley when the flags went up in the 80th minute or so. Imagine that was more of a regular thing with the scarves - it would be class.

 

Just some thoughts!