Match Atmosphere

[Wandy]

6 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

Unsurprisingly you totally and deliberately miss represent what I posted. 

I've been going since the 70s. Some great crack as and when. Certainly things, right across the board, we're different then, like pubs shutting in the afternoon. 

Goes without saying the Keegan eras were immense, as was the atmosphere, but we were winning regularly as well. So there is that. 

You lot spent the entire Ashley years Sat on your hands. I know, I was there. 

Was absolutely silent. 

 

You keep plugging away tho sunshine. 

 

I know you have been going since then, which is why it's frankly bizarre that you constantly perpetuate the idea that it's a myth that NUFC have always had brilliant support. The only reason NUFC has stayed relevant through a ridiculously barren period of zero success is the nature of it's support.

 

The difference between the KK era and now is that the roof came off when the team was winning. Now, there's a bit of noise and then back to silence.

 

This year, in a Wembley final, we got outsang by a mediocre Man Utd crowd. That would be unheard of in times gone by. And especially when NUFC is on such an upward trajectory.

 

The Ashley years weren't as quiet as you make out. In fact only after Rafa walked did it turn truly apathetic. That was the moment that broke the support and it has done immense damage to the fanbase in general. The current owners are trying to repair that damage but the current ticketing policy isn't the way to go about it.

[Wandy]

10 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

There's around 35k season ticket holders who are there every single week. That's plenty to make a consistently good atmosphere. "Daytrippers", "tourists" etc shouldn't be blamed. A lot of the 35k there are the same who sat on their arses during the Ashley era accepting everything he provided for us. Maybe look at that area rather than those trying to get back in who boycotted.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you.  The current bunch of ST holders are the ones who were prepared to put up with Ashley's piss-taking. They've got zero spine so it's hardly surprising that they make no noise at games.

 

Personally, I think there's now a case that ST holding should be abolished and all tickets made available on general sale. Never going to happen of course. But at the very least, ST holders should have all of their privileges removed. The fact that they have a guaranteed seat for league games is privilege enough.

[NUFC91]

Will argue to i'm blue in face but biggest issue is all stands have become the same. We need to set expectations that we need an end were all the like minded fans are together. Atm we have some in level 7, some in back of gallogate and leazes so in corner where leazes meet east stand and obviously strawberry corner. Ive make botttom half of leazes standing and do mass seat relocation. 

 

Do that and there will big difference. Anyone who doesnt want to be there simply has to move. 

 

Not denying ticketing system is absolutely shite btw.

[Wallsendmag]

4 hours ago, Stifler said:

I agree you can’t blame tourists our day trippers when you have an estimated 35k season ticket holders who are telling us they are forever loyal, and dedicated to supporting the team.

 

It’s idiotic to blame the ballot though. As I say, it was shit having a ballot at 10am on weekdays when the only people who could access it were people who either work from home, or work at a computer.

It needed changing, that’s all NUST fed back, and rightly so.

 

In terms of tickets, we are never going to have a situation that suits everyone until SJP has been expanded. It’s that simple.

 

We also need to get off the gate from certain season ticket holders vs non-season ticket holders. We all love our club, we have all supported our club, and in the Ashley years both sides made difficult decisions to continue or not, no one should be chastised for the decision they made.

 

 

 

 

The random ballot is a massive problem regarding the atmosphere though. It's meant that "singers" are being put in quieter areas so they can't be as vocal as they'd like because nobody will join in with them and they just get funny looks off people with no interest in generating an atmosphere, and to compound that you get the quieter fans being randomly shoved into the noisier sections which dilutes them right down.

 

The best example I can give is the NE Corner. It's been excellent for the past 2 seasons and is now flat as a fart because a lot of members who were "singers" used to head for there and now they can't.

 

The ballot, along with unlimited memberships are the 2 main reasons why the atmosphere has suffered so much this season. Speaking personally, not once have i managed to get in what I'd class as my first, or even second choice area, and there'll be 1000s just like me.

[bobbydazzla]

44 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

The random ballot is a massive problem regarding the atmosphere though. It's meant that "singers" are being put in quieter areas so they can't be as vocal as they'd like because nobody will join in with them and they just get funny looks off people with no interest in generating an atmosphere, and to compound that you get the quieter fans being randomly shoved into the noisier sections which dilutes them right down.

 

The best example I can give is the NE Corner. It's been excellent for the past 2 seasons and is now flat as a fart because a lot of members who were "singers" used to head for there and now they can't.

 

The ballot, along with unlimited memberships are the 2 main reasons why the atmosphere has suffered so much this season. Speaking personally, not once have i managed to get in what I'd class as my first, or even second choice area, and there'll be 1000s just like me.

 

This is my situation. I can rarely get a ticket in an area where it's considered acceptable to stand and sing, which is what I want to do at the match. 

Allocated seating is shit and needs to change, give people the choice so they can go to the areas that suit them best. 

 

Another factor, albeit very specific, is the club sending letters to people in a seated area where standing and singing was the norm, telling them to sit down or lose their tickets. 

 

As others have said we've got 35,000 ST holders who need to up their game too. They're the ones who can make the most difference.

 

And instead of people looking back over bygone eras and saying we've always been a quiet ground so that's just the way it is, why not focus on the future instead and come up with ideas on how we can try and make it louder.

 

On the playing side Eddie's turned plodders into world beaters, what's stopping us doing that in the stands ?

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by bobbydazzla

[gbandit]

Is there an unspoken acceptance or expectation that there won’t be another round of balloting for season tickets in the summer? There wasn’t anything this past summer was there. Is the circa 35,000 proportionally representative of the season ticket: open ticket numbers for most teams?

[SteV]

Just now, gbandit said:

Is there an unspoken acceptance or expectation that there won’t be another round of balloting for season tickets in the summer? There wasn’t anything this past summer was there. Is the circa 35,000 proportionally representative of the season ticket: open ticket numbers for most teams?

Pretty sure there won’t be any more ST’s sold until after any expansion, and even then I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t offer any additional.

 

~35k ST’s out of 52k is pretty high I believe. Certainly higher than the likes of Liverpool.

[El Prontonise]

The fuss over this is way OTT imo.

[bobbydazzla]

1 minute ago, gbandit said:

Is there an unspoken acceptance or expectation that there won’t be another round of balloting for season tickets in the summer? There wasn’t anything this past summer was there. Is the circa 35,000 proportionally representative of the season ticket: open ticket numbers for most teams?

 

Based on all of the noises from within the club their priority is getting more people into the ground each season and selling more season tickets wouldn't fit that aim.

 

As the 10 year deals end there'll be some people who can't afford, or don't want to pay their new increased price, my gut feel is that if ST's are given up they'll just become game by game sale seats instead

 

 

[SteV]

3 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

 

As the 10 year deals end there'll be some people who can't afford, or don't want to pay their new increased price, my gut feel is that if ST's are given up they'll just become game by game sale seats instead

 

 

Agree. 
 

The chaos that would be caused in trying to put 200/300 ST up for sale, just isn’t worth it.

 

Unless they put them in a ballot…

[Wallsendmag]

12 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

The fuss over this is way OTT imo.

 

Tbf 2 of the owners have mentioned it so they've clearly noticed a downturn in the atmosphere this season as the rest of us have which is why this thread was created.

 

Considering the performance/result/opposition I thought it was dire on Saturday.

[Bellis80]

The atmosphere is better now than it’s ever been since the ground got extended in my opinion. Away ends have got worse, not just this season but this season has been particularly poor.

[PRL]

20 hours ago, Sima said:

Buzzing to be in this section next Saturday.

No pressure to come along if you’d prefer not to…!

[Guest]

Sorry for being a dick by the way. Just sick of pretty much being blamed for preferring the ballot system so kicking out a bit. You're all good people.

[bobbydazzla]

42 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Sorry for being a dick by the way. Just sick of pretty much being blamed for preferring the ballot system so kicking out a bit. You're all good people.

 

I don't think anyone has blamed individuals, just a large group on here dislike the ballot and really hate allocated seating. But it works better for you and I don't think anyone would take issue with that.

 

Although, if you're getting a ballot ticket then playing on your phone when the match is on, taking vids of the opposition scoring, going for beer at 30 mins, leaving for home at 80 mins and sitting in silence apart from to tell other people to sit down and be quiet. Then we are blaming you. 100%. 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by bobbydazzla
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[Izakaya]

Wanted to ask a question regarding ticketing and with this thread having the biggest discussion on it I thought I'd post in here.

 

I'm coming back to Newcastle from Australia in May and the only home game on while I'm there is the last home game of the season against Brighton. Obviously I'd love to attend and I'd love to take my son who will turn two at the end of January. 

 

My questions are this;

 

There's a lot of talk about tickets being resold on 3rd party sites, and while this is something I know annoys local fans, it seems this will be the only way I'll be able to secure a ticket without a membership. 

 

What kind of costs will I be looking at for a ticket on these sites? 

 

And realistically, how feasible is it to take a kid of that age to a game? Is there a family room at SJP I could use to change nappies, or maybe sit in for a bit if he gets restless? And is there any particular section I'd need to sit in to access these services? 

 

Thanks 

[Guest]

[TheGuv]

7 minutes ago, OCK said:

Genuine creased 

[bobbydazzla]

It’s even less feasible than an airplane flying so high it leaves the atmosphere 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by bobbydazzla

[Pata]

1 hour ago, Izakaya said:

Wanted to ask a question regarding ticketing and with this thread having the biggest discussion on it I thought I'd post in here.

 

I'm coming back to Newcastle from Australia in May and the only home game on while I'm there is the last home game of the season against Brighton. Obviously I'd love to attend and I'd love to take my son who will turn two at the end of January. 

 

My questions are this;

 

There's a lot of talk about tickets being resold on 3rd party sites, and while this is something I know annoys local fans, it seems this will be the only way I'll be able to secure a ticket without a membership. 

 

What kind of costs will I be looking at for a ticket on these sites? 

 

And realistically, how feasible is it to take a kid of that age to a game? Is there a family room at SJP I could use to change nappies, or maybe sit in for a bit if he gets restless? And is there any particular section I'd need to sit in to access these services? 

 

Thanks 

 

I don't have kids but seems a bit pointless to attend with a kid that young. He's too young to remember anything about it and the occasional () noise can probably be scary to him. You would also potentially ruin your own experience that most likely doesn't happen that often due to your location.

[gbandit]

My eldest is five and I still haven’t wanted to bring her to St. James’ as her concentration is shocking. She’d lose interest after a minute. All kids are different but I don’t know many two year olds that would get much from the match I don’t think, certainly not be able to get through the whole thing 

[SteV]

1 hour ago, Izakaya said:

Wanted to ask a question regarding ticketing and with this thread having the biggest discussion on it I thought I'd post in here.

 

I'm coming back to Newcastle from Australia in May and the only home game on while I'm there is the last home game of the season against Brighton. Obviously I'd love to attend and I'd love to take my son who will turn two at the end of January. 

 

My questions are this;

 

There's a lot of talk about tickets being resold on 3rd party sites, and while this is something I know annoys local fans, it seems this will be the only way I'll be able to secure a ticket without a membership. 

 

What kind of costs will I be looking at for a ticket on these sites? 

 

And realistically, how feasible is it to take a kid of that age to a game? Is there a family room at SJP I could use to change nappies, or maybe sit in for a bit if he gets restless? And is there any particular section I'd need to sit in to access these services? 

 

Thanks 

Mate, no offence, but taking a two year to a game is utterly pointless, and I can only see it being a stressful experience for all involved.

 

Appreciate that coming from Oz you want to take every chance you can get to attend, and you might not know when the next time will be when you get to go with him. But, regardless, it isn’t the place for a two year old.

 

If you wanted to go yourself though, investigate getting an overseas membership. Wouldn’t guarantee anything, but would give you a chance at a reasonable cost.

 

Failing that, closer to the time you might find someone on here that’s prepared to transfer you there ticket at FV. Obviously will probably depend on what’s riding on the game as to how likely that is.

 

Failing that, then third party sites are an option, and whilst people on here have used them successfully, it’s always iffy. Cost-wise, could be anything from <£100 if there’s nothing riding on the game, to bank loan territory if there’s something massive on it.

 

Also, be aware that the date of the game isn’t set in stone yet. Could be anywhere across that weekend Fri - Mon, so be careful with your travel plans.

[Wallsendmag]

Think 2 is maybe too young but it depends on the kid as they are all different. My lad was 3 when I took him to his first game and he was completely engrossed in it from start to finish and has been like that ever since, but you see bairns there of 6 and 7 and don't have the attention span to sit through it.

[Whitley mag]

Since when did we stop singing Howay The Lads and Blaydon Races absolutely tragic 

 

https://x.com/1968Tv/status/1627568947108225025?s=20

[Lush Vlad]

I’ve been regularly going to games since 2005. It has always been the version of Blaydon Races sung at x3 speed and with the wrong words. 
 

Probably better off it dies out if that’s the shite that gets belted out. Absolutely butchered our own song/chant.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Lush Vlad