Match Atmosphere

[AyeDubbleYoo]

What does membership have to do with atmosphere?

[Bellis80]

5 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

What does membership have to do with atmosphere?

It’s getting worse and, probably coincidentally, 30,000 people had memberships taken away from them at the same time as well as the ballot.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Who had membership taken away?

[Rich]

ST holders, effectively, as has been pointed out already within the past page.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Ah right, I get that but there's no justification for allowing ST holders to buy extra tickets when they're in such short supply. There's no reason at all that they should control all the home tickets as well as all the away tickets. 

 

Are we arguing that ST holders and their mates are the key to a great atmosphere? It makes no sense, 30k or more of them are in the ground now. I don't get it.

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by AyeDubbleYoo

[HaydnNUFC]

16 minutes ago, Rich said:

Cracking post, that. There are a ton of things they could be doing to improve things, but our executive team seems to move at a glacial pace even when trying to do stuff.

 

I also agree it's costing us points/wins at times.

They take a mile and give back an inch, yet people slap them on the back for it. Like the initial ballot system they were going to implement in summer 2023 after already flogging memberships and people were buying them under the pretence that it’d be similar to usual only for it to be a ballot for anywhere in the ground where you could be put in Leazes L4 or the Platinum Club and be charged that area’s rate for a ticket even if you didn’t want to sit there. They then allowed people pick the seating category and despite the system still being total dogshit people applauded it. ‘Tha listening to wah! Our owners, man. 🖤🤍’

 

Similar problems remain despite them doing a split between ballot and the old system which still hasn’t solved the atmosphere problem.

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by HaydnNUFC

[Rich]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Ah right, I get that but there's no justification for allowing ST holders to buy extra tickets when they're in such short supply. There's no reason at all that they should control all the home tickets as well as all the away tickets. 

 

Are we arguing that ST holders and their mates are the key to a great atmosphere? It makes no sense, 30k or more of them are in the ground now. I don't get it.

 

Some people seem to be, aye, I already gave my opinion on what the main driving factor is. People are harking for something that only really exists in the very best of times, but the club could be doing more to improve the atmosphere.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The only way to really improve the atmosphere would be to create multiple singing sections and shuffle the entire crowd around. While I would like to see it, I can't imagine any football club doing that when people have bought their seats and had them for decades. 

 

Or for the team to be better. 

 

I may be wrong but I imagine everyone except us thinks our atmosphere is brilliant. Especially people in executive roles. 

 

I get very annoyed when people suggest some mythical ST better fans should control who goes to the match because they are the old guard atmosphere masters. It's absolute nonsense.

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by AyeDubbleYoo

[Rich]

I don't think so, like, there've been numerous times this season where the players have been visibly frustrated at the lack of backing and tried to gee the crowd up.

 

Them and the coaching staff will be able to feel it more keenly than most, you'd think, and it must get fed back.

[NE27]

Well my experience in the barracks was as usual, grim.

 

Families and mitoma fans seemed to be on the specials menu.

 

Atmosphere was dog shit, although I do think the general fanbase were supportive even when we couldn't even string passes together/trap a football, it could've very easily turned sour as we seemed to shrink into our shell but there were plenty positive chants going.

 

Nothing will change here until we reorganise seating arrangements or potentially move, the latter requiring the club to actually listen to trusts/fans and not just pull themselves silly over extra corporate only.

[TBG]

24 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

What does membership have to do with atmosphere?

 

[Bellis80]

17 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

The only way to really improve the atmosphere would be to create multiple singing sections and shuffle the entire crowd around. While I would like to see it, I can't imagine any football club doing that when people have bought their seats and had them for decades. 

 

Or for the team to be better. 

 

I may be wrong but I imagine everyone except us thinks our atmosphere is brilliant. Especially people in executive roles. 

 

I get very annoyed when people suggest some mythical ST better fans should control who goes to the match because they are the old guard atmosphere masters. It's absolute nonsense.

 

 

 

It probably isn’t the reason but I think it’s reasonable to suggest a season ticket holder is likely to know people that are desperate to go rather than a randomer getting in through a ballot.

 

Same with away tickets. It wasn’t really right how people were passing them on but they were going to people who were desperate to go and making the most effort.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I don’t know how many people get in via ballot but I’m estimating half of the general sale tickets. So maybe 10k. And maybe 50-75% of those are long term fans who just don’t have a ST. So maybe you’re looking at 3-5k ‘randomers’ scattered around the ground. 
 

For general sale you have to put in a lot of work, so I guess those people would qualify as decent fans? 

[Joelinton7]

More like “match flatmosphere”

[Bellis80]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I don’t know how many people get in via ballot but I’m estimating half of the general sale tickets. So maybe 10k. And maybe 50-75% of those are long term fans who just don’t have a ST. So maybe you’re looking at 3-5k ‘randomers’ scattered around the ground. 
 

For general sale you have to put in a lot of work, so I guess those people would qualify as decent fans? 

Personally I don’t think the atmosphere at home has got much worse. But everyone else thinks it has and the only thing that has changed recently is the ballot and season ticket holders not being members. So it’s something to do with that or the team just being worse and is fuck all we can do about that.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I can remember being confused why everyone around me was sitting in silence about 20 years ago. 
 

I don’t know if things have got worse recently. Certainly not since the takeover. 

[Wullie]

3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

What does membership have to do with atmosphere?

 

Surely the membership scheme disincentivises all the people you want in to create an atmosphere - groups of young kids on a lower income. If a group of half a dozen quite radgee but pretty skint 18 year old lads from Walker fancy going to a game and lending their voice, firstly they've got to pay a collective £240 for the right to enter a ballot for a ticket, then they've all got to be successful in that ballot, then they've got to have the same amount again to actually pay for the tickets,  then they've got to get seats all together. 

 

Someone will correct me if I've misunderstood (I refuse to pay the membership fee as I think it's a complete fucking racket so I don't know loads about it) but this seems to me to be a formerly common scenario that has been made completely impossible?

[bobbydazzla]

25 minutes ago, Wullie said:

 

Surely the membership scheme disincentivises all the people you want in to create an atmosphere - groups of young kids on a lower income. If a group of half a dozen quite radgee but pretty skint 18 year old lads from Walker fancy going to a game and lending their voice, firstly they've got to pay a collective £240 for the right to enter a ballot for a ticket, then they've all got to be successful in that ballot, then they've got to have the same amount again to actually pay for the tickets,  then they've got to get seats all together. 

 

Someone will correct me if I've misunderstood (I refuse to pay the membership fee as I think it's a complete fucking racket so I don't know loads about it) but this seems to me to be a formerly common scenario that has been made completely impossible?

 

They could also try to get tickets via the 10am member general sale, but all of those costs would still apply

 

And getting more than a couple of seats together in a block is highly unlikely, whether you're doing it via ballot or member sale. There's little to no chance of organising a gang of pals to be near each other

 

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[OCOCOL]

36 minutes ago, Wullie said:

 

Surely the membership scheme disincentivises all the people you want in to create an atmosphere - groups of young kids on a lower income. If a group of half a dozen quite radgee but pretty skint 18 year old lads from Walker fancy going to a game and lending their voice, firstly they've got to pay a collective £240 for the right to enter a ballot for a ticket, then they've all got to be successful in that ballot, then they've got to have the same amount again to actually pay for the tickets,  then they've got to get seats all together. 

 

Someone will correct me if I've misunderstood (I refuse to pay the membership fee as I think it's a complete fucking racket so I don't know loads about it) but this seems to me to be a formerly common scenario that has been made completely impossible?

 You’re right which is why said lads will just watch it in the wink / crocketts where it’s a better atmosphere and the drink is cheaper 

[Wullie]

31 minutes ago, OCOCOL said:

 You’re right which is why said lads will just watch it in the wink / crocketts where it’s a better atmosphere and the drink is cheaper 

 

There's not been a pub since they knocked down The Roadhouse in Hebburn that gives me the heebee-jeebees as much as that place.

[Paully]

3 minutes ago, Wullie said:

 

There's not been a pub since they knocked down The Roadhouse in Hebburn that gives me the heebee-jeebees as much as that place.

 

Ha ha ha The Claps was a majestic boozer!

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, Wullie said:

 

Surely the membership scheme disincentivises all the people you want in to create an atmosphere - groups of young kids on a lower income. If a group of half a dozen quite radgee but pretty skint 18 year old lads from Walker fancy going to a game and lending their voice, firstly they've got to pay a collective £240 for the right to enter a ballot for a ticket, then they've all got to be successful in that ballot, then they've got to have the same amount again to actually pay for the tickets,  then they've got to get seats all together. 

 

Someone will correct me if I've misunderstood (I refuse to pay the membership fee as I think it's a complete fucking racket so I don't know loads about it) but this seems to me to be a formerly common scenario that has been made completely impossible?

Sure, but those are more points about the general state and price of football in the UK. Not really members vs other types of fan creating a worse atmosphere, which was the original point. 

[samptime29]

It just shows a lot depends where you sit. Honestly thought atmosphere wasn't bad where I was sat yesterday.

[jack j]

 

 

 

[gbandit]

No idea what I’ve just watched. Is it meant to be funny?