Yankuba Minteh (now playing for Brighton & Hove Albion)

[gdm]

10 minutes ago, Magpie said:

You know what I mean. We bought him and probably sold him the chance to make a name for himself in the PL and now due to these horrendous PSR restrictions we're looking to cash in on him. You have to feel a little sorry for him.

I can see what your saying but he has a promising future I don’t think he’ll be too down heartened 

[duo]

21 minutes ago, black_n_white said:

Gif rid if it means we solve FFP problems.

even if it means another season of Almiron on the right? I would rather take the points

[KaKa]

3 minutes ago, duo said:

even if it means another season of Almiron on the right? I would rather take the points

 

[nufc123]

1 minute ago, duo said:

even if it means another season of Almiron on the right? I would rather take the points

Why would Almiron be first choice? How many times do we have to write this??

[KaKa]

Just now, nufc123 said:

Why would Almiron be first choice? How many times do we have to write this??

 

I'm honestly lost for words 

[sushimonster85]

It's people either being deliberately obtuse, or actually a bit thick. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

52 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

Why do people keep specifically mentioning the Barnes transfer? I've read it a couple of times now.

 

Brexit Eddie WASTED our budget on a player who isnt good enough despite scoring loads of goals and being generally very good in this league and now we cant keep the guy no one has even really seen play! Our future is dead!

[TheBrownBottle]

41 minutes ago, duo said:

even if it means another season of Almiron on the right? I would rather take the points

You must know that this isn’t either / or?

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, simonsays said:

The idea they haven't looked at him already is nonsense though- they will have been monitoring every game has played in meticulously.  I have confidence they they know his current and prospective ability and will have set the asking price and any future clauses accordingly

This is where I kind of agree and don’t. 
 

We may think he’s ace. All the indications are that he’s ace.  That’s why a lot of the smartest clubs in Europe are after him.  
 

But our PSR position is FUCKED. Risking a points deduction is a non starter. We need to sell. We’ve don’t have many options. Willock, Wilson, Anderson, Targett, Almiron etc. nobody wants them for the money we need.  So it’s the fine china in Isak or Bruno or the young wonder kid. So it’s the wonder kid.  
 

A club like Brighton will ensure terms are favourable to them. No buyback.  Low/no sell on. 
 

 

This is even a lucky escape.  Isak would’ve been next. 
 

I would’ve rather sold big Joe personally. 
 

Puts into perspective what PIF are willing to do. And the fact they’ve not got everything right and are perfectly measured in the transfer market. Which is ok. But we can stop that ‘we have the smartest people in thr world running the club, they wouldn’t put the club in such a position’. They just did. 

[McDog]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

This is where I kind of agree and don’t. 
 

We may think he’s ace. All the indications are that he’s ace.  That’s why a lot of the smartest clubs in Europe are after him.  
 

But our PSR position is FUCKED. Risking a points deduction is a non starter. We need to sell. We’ve don’t have many options. Willock, Wilson, Anderson, Targett, Almiron etc. nobody wants them for the money we need.  So it’s the fine china in Isak or Bruno or the young wonder kid. So it’s the wonder kid.  
 

A club like Brighton will ensure terms are favourable to them. No buyback.  Low/no sell on. 
 

 

This is even a lucky escape.  Isak would’ve been next. 
 

I would’ve rather sold big Joe personally. 
 

Puts into perspective what PIF are willing to do. And the fact they’ve not got everything right and are perfectly measured in the transfer market. Which is ok. But we can stop that ‘we have the smartest people in thr world running the club, they wouldn’t put the club in such a position’. They just did. 

 

 

I think there are calculated risks. If they are in a bad position, they either seriously miscalculated or had plans that fell through and you cannot 100% know everything that will happen, right?

[The College Dropout]

2 hours ago, The Prophet said:

 

Why do people keep specifically mentioning the Barnes transfer? I've read it a couple of times now.

We paid a lot of money for a player whose value is unlikely to increase, in a position we were well stacked in. 
 

At the time it seemed a luxury transfer. If he was a RW people wouldn’t be complaining. We spent 40m on a LW in Jan, then another 40m for another LW in the summer. Joe’s also impressing at LW. 0 RWs. Except a wee lad, who excelled out on loan.  He’ll never play for us though - in part because we bought a backup LW who is 4 years older than the first choice. 

 

Between the fee, wages, sign on fee, agent fees , bonuses. Barnes squad cost likely to be 12-15m - that’s a lot of the PSR gap.  
 

Similalry with Tonali - why so expensive?

 

It does make you question the transfer activities.  Should we have cashed in on Trippier and Wilson in the winter? Lots of questions.  
 

Had we had European football in 2024 and qualified for Europa - we might not have been in this position. So there a lot of moving parts.  Nothing perfect. Nothing disastrous. Although this transfer is gutting.  

[madras]

10 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

This is where I kind of agree and don’t. 
 

We may think he’s ace. All the indications are that he’s ace.  That’s why a lot of the smartest clubs in Europe are after him.  
 

But our PSR position is FUCKED. Risking a points deduction is a non starter. We need to sell. We’ve don’t have many options. Willock, Wilson, Anderson, Targett, Almiron etc. nobody wants them for the money we need.  So it’s the fine china in Isak or Bruno or the young wonder kid. So it’s the wonder kid.  
 

A club like Brighton will ensure terms are favourable to them. No buyback.  Low/no sell on. 
 

 

This is even a lucky escape.  Isak would’ve been next. 
 

I would’ve rather sold big Joe personally. 
 

Puts into perspective what PIF are willing to do. And the fact they’ve not got everything right and are perfectly measured in the transfer market. Which is ok. But we can stop that ‘we have the smartest people in thr world running the club, they wouldn’t put the club in such a position’. They just did. 

Who would you sell Big Joe to ? I think he's a player who's a fit for us, but not for many others who can pay that fee and wages.

[OverThere]

Honestly, why sell? If Man C can get away with 115 breaches, why can't we?

[madras]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

We paid a lot of money for a player whose value is unlikely to increase, in a position we were well stacked in. 
 

At the time it seemed a luxury transfer. If he was a RW people wouldn’t be complaining. We spent 40m on a LW in Jan, then another 40m for another LW in the summer. Joe’s also impressing at LW. 0 RWs. Except a wee lad, who excelled out on loan.  He’ll never play for us though - in part because we bought a backup LW who is 4 years older than the first choice. 

 

Between the fee, wages, sign on fee, agent fees , bonuses. Barnes squad cost likely to be 12-15m - that’s a lot of the PSR gap.  
 

Similalry with Tonali - why so expensive?

 

It does make you question the transfer activities.  Should we have cashed in on Trippier and Wilson in the winter? Lots of questions.  
 

Had we had European football in 2024 and qualified for Europa - we might not have been in this position. So there a lot of moving parts.  Nothing perfect. Nothing disastrous. Although this transfer is gutting.  

Gordon a LW when we bought him ? he'd played as much on the right for Everton. Gordon is the ideal Howe player as he can play both sides so we can rotate like you wanted.

[The College Dropout]

2 minutes ago, McDog said:

 

 

I think there are calculated risks. If they are in a bad position, they either seriously miscalculated or had plans that fell through and you cannot 100% know everything that will happen, right?

Aye. The best light is we took calculated risks.  Needed a better league finish. A better CL or Europa run. Miscalculated and need to sell our most promising young player. Bad but not a total disaster. 
 

It does show (potentially) PIF are happy to abide by the rules. No raft of boogey sponsorships. No court battles. We need to recalibrate our own expectations a bit. 
 

Maybe Minteh leaving and becoming a big success might vex PIF and get them active. ATM they are passive to PSR and letting other clubs lead the fight. IMO we should be fighting stronger. 
 

As mentioned a quarter of the league have fallen foul. Publicly we are pushing back the least. 

[The College Dropout]

5 minutes ago, madras said:

Who would you sell Big Joe to ? I think he's a player who's a fit for us, but not for many others who can pay that fee and wages.

Pre new contract he would’ve been an easy sell for £30m-£40m to a rival PL club. Modest wages.  Proven performer.  Decent age. 
 

Not now with the new contract. I was with Dan Ashworth being tight on his contract. 
 

4 minutes ago, madras said:

Gordon a LW when we bought him ? he'd played as much on the right for Everton. Gordon is the ideal Howe player as he can play both sides so we can rotate like you wanted.

Gordon’s minutes at NUFC have come predominantly on the left. In his first half season - only left. And straight away this season last season. He’s only started RW once under Howe iiirc. Howe would rather play Murphy at RW than Gordon. 
 

We’ve spent £80m+ at LW.  £8m at RW and we’re selling him for 3/4x.  That doesn’t smell right. 

[Nobody]

3 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

Totally. For all I totally sympathise with the defiance of accepting a points deduction with both middle fingers raised, I can't face a season played out to the backdrop of a tedious and distracting legal wrangle that gets discussed every pre-game, every post-game, every comms, every presser, every thread of the forum, yada yada yada. Fuck - quite literally - that noise. 

Didn't Everton have a huge upturn in form after their first point deduction (including beating us) last season? 

[madras]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Pre new contract he would’ve been an easy sell for £30m-£40m to a rival PL club. Modest wages.  Proven performer.  Decent age. 
 

Not now with the new contract. I was with Dan Ashworth being tight on his contract. 
 

Gordon’s minutes at NUFC have come predominantly on the left. In his first half season - only left. And straight away this season last season. He’s only started RW once under Howe iiirc. Howe would rather play Murphy at RW than Gordon. 
 

We’ve spent £80m+ at LW.  £8m at RW and we’re selling him for 3/4x.  That doesn’t smell right. 

Re Joe.....which clubs could you see him going to ? I'm thinking West Ham and that's it.

 

Re Gordon, his debut was on the right, he played on the right at Bournemouth and Brentford before being subbed and he's played much more on the left due to injuries to Barnes, Joe and Willock. I'm not saying he's a RW but I'm not saying he's a LW either. He can do both but because he played very well on the left through necessity he's now being pigeon holed.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

31 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We paid a lot of money for a player whose value is unlikely to increase, in a position we were well stacked in. 
 

At the time it seemed a luxury transfer. If he was a RW people wouldn’t be complaining. We spent 40m on a LW in Jan, then another 40m for another LW in the summer. Joe’s also impressing at LW. 0 RWs. Except a wee lad, who excelled out on loan.  He’ll never play for us though - in part because we bought a backup LW who is 4 years older than the first choice. 

 

Between the fee, wages, sign on fee, agent fees , bonuses. Barnes squad cost likely to be 12-15m - that’s a lot of the PSR gap.  
 

Similalry with Tonali - why so expensive?

 

It does make you question the transfer activities.  Should we have cashed in on Trippier and Wilson in the winter? Lots of questions.  
 

Had we had European football in 2024 and qualified for Europa - we might not have been in this position. So there a lot of moving parts.  Nothing perfect. Nothing disastrous. Although this transfer is gutting.  

 

You're conveniently forgetting we were after 2 players for every position that summer, and players that could play more than 1 position to deal with the hoped for amount of games we'd be playing, which Barnes gave us at LW, especially with Joe being a starting CM. We had two RWers, Gordon and Barnes gave us 2 LWers, also taking in to account Gordon could cover RW and CF where needed. It wasn't at all "stacked". And dont say Isak. 

So revisionary. 

[Holloway]

6 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

It's not mental at all though is it? Do we say that about all the young players that Chelsea buy and flip for profit? I mean, maybe sometimes but the idea with these players is always to invest a little and get money back at some point. 

Ok then it's extremely unfortunate. I'm sick of hearing about what Chelsea do, I want Minteh kept and evaluated with the squad. We can flip some fucker else

[Holloway]

7 hours ago, sushimonster85 said:

 

Would you feel the same way if that hit was a points deduction that meant despite finishing in a European spot, we don't actually get European football?

Without the benefit of a crystal ball, yeah I'd hang on to Minteh at this point.

[Dr.Spaceman]

4 hours ago, OverThere said:

Honestly, why sell? If Man C can get away with 115 breaches, why can't we?

 

Completely different scenarios. They're claiming to have the funding through legitimate partnerships, we're pleading poverty and sticking to the rules. Do you want us to start cooking the books so we can keep hold of some kids who may turn out a bit shit 

 

 

Edited June 29, 2024 by Dr.Spaceman

[Keegans Export]

1 hour ago, Holloway said:

Ok then it's extremely unfortunate. I'm sick of hearing about what Chelsea do, I want Minteh kept and evaluated with the squad. We can flip some fucker else

Such as....?

[Checko]

5 hours ago, Nobody said:

Didn't Everton have a huge upturn in form after their first point deduction (including beating us) last season? 

In a weird way I feel that it helped them last year. Seemed like such a toxic atmosphere there, bit like it was here with Ashley and Bruce, the points deduction seemed to give the supporters something external to channel their anger against instead.

 

Nothing brings people together like giving them a common enemy.

[Holloway]

29 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

Such as....?

I don't mean by tomorrow or whenever the deadline is. That's the crux of the matter,sell him or not to satisfy these restrictions imposed on us. I say nah