Dr. TC Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 hour ago, LFEE said: Week in week out also. Very rarely had anything close to an off game. Think Tonali will develop a shimmy that puts defenders on the deck? I had also forgotten his total mastery of the chip shot until now - maybe that's what Murphy was trying to emulate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dr. TC said: Think Tonali will develop a shimmy that puts defenders on the deck? I had also forgotten his total mastery of the chip shot until now - maybe that's what Murphy was trying to emulate. He deserved better pitches and better nets. He'd be so good in the modern game, literally looks and moves like Messi at 3:46 Edited June 26, 2023 by Mountain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 I think he's probably up there as one of the most underrated players of all time tbh. Whether it's Premier League, English, or just players in general, he was incredibly naturally gifted but also incredibly clever. He never got the plaudits he deserved even before he came out as a daft racist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 This cunt signed yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, Dr. TC said: Think Tonali will develop a shimmy that puts defenders on the deck? I had also forgotten his total mastery of the chip shot until now - maybe that's what Murphy was trying to emulate. Always loved that goal against the scruffs, NYD 1985, 25 yards just passes it left footed into the bottom corner. Genius. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: He never got the plaudits he deserved even before he came out as a daft racist. Met him once at Central Station, he was with his wife. Was dead canny enough to take a photo. For context, I myself am Asian/Brown. So I have some level of hope he was just more of an ignorant byproduct of his time rather than a hateful man. (Not excusing it, like). Edited June 26, 2023 by Amir_9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 16 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I think he's probably up there as one of the most underrated players of all time tbh. Whether it's Premier League, English, or just players in general, he was incredibly naturally gifted but also incredibly clever. He never got the plaudits he deserved even before he came out as a daft racist. I like him even more now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 I assume we're waiting until 1st July then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: I assume we're waiting until 1st July then. I think so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I assume we're waiting until 1st July then. I would say that’s where the smart money is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 27 minutes ago, Mountain said: He deserved better pitches and better nets. He'd be so good in the modern game, literally looks and moves like Messi at 3:46 He'd be unreal in Howe's system as an inside left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Jonas said: When were talking about productivity I think were forgetting Ginola/Gillespie's constant supply to Ferdinand being the most prominent feature of our attacking in those days. Every time either had the ball on the flank it was a threat. Too right. As good at tackling as he was nut-megging, scorer of worldies, creator supreme whilst having a 'water-carriers' work ethic. As highly rated as he is, it doesn't seem enough when you think about it. It's easy to forget Gillespie, as he was pretty much a one trick pony. Worked at the time but he'd be easily neutralised now. HBA could do everything Ginola could do and more, but Robert had that cannon of a left that even Hatem didn't come close to. There's not many south paws in premier league time that have come close to the power and accuracy he was capable of Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pormag Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Ginola wasn't that good, he only scored 6 goals i think. Ben Arfa was better but Robert was the best of the french left wingers for proper end product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Potentially unpopular opinion but it was Ben Arfa who failed Pardew, not the other way around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, pormag said: Ginola wasn't that good, he only scored 6 goals i think. Ben Arfa was better but Robert was the best of the french left wingers for proper end product. Load of shite, for a period of time until his sending off against Arsenal, his displays were better than any footballer (bar Tony Green) I have ever seen in a black and white shirt and I've been going since the 70s Supermac era. Edited June 26, 2023 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiburon Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Ginola was sexy and so different (today I’d try and convert him into a Ronaldo type CF role, playing through the middle with his left and right foot capabilities), HBA was undoubtedly the most talented and exciting of all, Robert the most productive, but Sellars for me was the man! We’ve been blessed with talented wingers and wide players over the years on both flanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pormag Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 10 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Load of shite, for a period of time until his sending off against Arsenal, his displayed were better than any footballer I have ever seen in a black and white shirt and I've been going since the 70s Supermac era. Ginola better than Robert? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Just now, pormag said: Ginola better than Robert? In that period yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Those assists numbers look made up, think it was about half that for Robert 6 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Yeah that's not accurate like It possibly isn’t tbf - ‘assists’ being tracked is a relatively recent thing. I can’t pin a year on it (I’m sure the internet hive mind will know) when they started to become a sort of ‘official’ stat. It still feels like it comes from a different sport tbh - the game existed for a century and a half before anyone really started to track and record ‘assists’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 What page was the last post about Tonali on? JFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Load of shite, for a period of time until his sending off against Arsenal, his displays were better than any footballer (bar Tony Green) I have ever seen in a black and white shirt and I've been going since the 70s Supermac era. All four months of it. I was at Highbury that night in the LC - he was kicked from pillar to post. Never the same player ever again in B&W. My memories of Ginola must be more selective. Of course I remember him turning Cox inside out vs the Smoggies. There aren’t many ‘Ginola’ games that stand out though as match-winning performances. Both feet were like wands mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pormag Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, et tu brute said: In that period yes. Goals and assists it's Robert all day long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 minute ago, pormag said: Goals and assists it's Robert all day long. You obviously didn't see Ginola play during that period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pormag Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, et tu brute said: You obviously didn't see Ginola play during that period. I want my wingers to contribute with many goals and assists, that's why Maxi is frustrating at the minute. You prefer Ginola to Robert, fair enough but one scored more goals and got more assists than the other, that's the aim of the game isn't it? Edited June 26, 2023 by pormag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Just now, pormag said: I want my wingers go contribute with many goals and assists, that's the aim of the game, that's why Maxi is frustrating at the minute. You prefer Ginola to Robert, fair enough but one scored more goals and got more assists than the other, that's the aim of the game isn't it? You obviously didn't watch him so you can't compare the two. I did and Robert. Robert was very good for us, but Ginola during that period was something else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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