Coffee_Johnny Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 10 hours ago, KaKa said: Stop all this crying about FFP for goodness sake. We have good people in charge that have been excellent in getting good players in. It's all going to be navigated just fine and dare I say much better than the majority of other clubs. Surely it warrants a few ‘tears’. It is frustrating as hell and where better to vent? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 23 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said: Surely it warrants a few ‘tears’. It is frustrating as hell and where better to vent? Everyone is going to be in the same boat eventually. I trust our bunch better than most to manage the whole situation. It will be fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Magpie Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 24 minutes ago, KaKa said: Everyone is going to be in the same boat eventually. I trust our bunch better than most to manage the whole situation. It will be fine. How? As the rules currently exist the teams with most income from sponsers, corporate etc. will always hold a distinct advantage. The bigger they are the stronger they become. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 ESR is never happening Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 5 minutes ago, Irish Magpie said: How? As the rules currently exist the teams with most income from sponsers, corporate etc. will always hold a distinct advantage. The bigger they are the stronger they become. And how is that working out for them? Looks like it's done Chelsea and Man Utd a world of good. Our sponsorship will come along and before then we'll be smarter and better in the market like we have been. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 Mad how we've only got 4 midfielders for the considerable future in Bruno, Longstaff, Miley and Schar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 I really don't see why we need to sell our best players unless they actively want to leave tbh. We need to bring in more young players to develop and sell for profit. I've no idea who like, but that's what scouting is for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 Still a fan of Tosin. Shouldn't be too expensive either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 1 hour ago, KaKa said: And how is that working out for them? Looks like it's done Chelsea and Man Utd a world of good. Our sponsorship will come along and before then we'll be smarter and better in the market like we have been. Nobody is saying that these clubs won’t face difficult periods in the same way that a club outside of the established six cannot climb in to one of the top six positions in the league for a season or two; however, the advantages that they have in terms of finances due to their standing in the English game when financial fair play was introduced will always give them more of an advantage to rise back to the top. That is what the problem is and why people are complaining about it. They see their natural position as being the top six with the likes of us, Villa, Leicester and West Ham as having a natural position of seventh to thirteenth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 2 hours ago, Irish Magpie said: How? As the rules currently exist the teams with most income from sponsers, corporate etc. will always hold a distinct advantage. The bigger they are the stronger they become. What is Chelsea's position going to be if they fail to qualify for the CL again? Man Utd are also already butting up against FFP, hence why they had to loan Arambat. They’re either going to have to change the rules again to suit them, or end up hoisted on their own petards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 37 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: Nobody is saying that these clubs won’t face difficult periods in the same way that a club outside of the established six cannot climb in to one of the top six positions in the league for a season or two; however, the advantages that they have in terms of finances due to their standing in the English game when financial fair play was introduced will always give them more of an advantage to rise back to the top. That is what the problem is and why people are complaining about it. They see their natural position as being the top six with the likes of us, Villa, Leicester and West Ham as having a natural position of seventh to thirteenth. More financial power means nothing without the right manager and structure behind the scenes. Most of these top clubs throw away a hell of a lot of money and are far lazier and less inventive in the market because of their riches. I'm not convinced they have this great advantage people keep talking about. They are far more likely to blow £90 million on some current over hyped player than go for the £30 million player that isn't as hyped, but who the data is identifying as being a stud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 (edited) 5 hours ago, GEFAFWISP said: We need more English if anything, Brexit Mags. Why not Gibbs-White, ESR and Gallagher for £300 million to replace the Brazilian lads and proceed to finish 9th. What is this turgid "Brexit Mags" toss people keep mentioning? Also what would Brazilians have to do with Brexit? ? Edited January 13, 2024 by Teasy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 20 minutes ago, Teasy said: What is this turgid "Brexit Mags" toss people keep mentioning? Also what would Brazilians have to do with Brexit? ? If you don’t get it you don’t get it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 47 minutes ago, KaKa said: More financial power means nothing without the right manager and structure behind the scenes. Most of these top clubs throw away a hell of a lot of money and are far lazier and less inventive in the market because of their riches. I'm not convinced they have this great advantage people keep talking about. They are far more likely to blow £90 million on some current over hyped player than go for the £30 million player that isn't as hyped, but who the data is identifying as being a stud. True, but if they do have the right manager and structure behind the scenes then they can spend more money and slot right back into the top 4 positions ahead of teams who spend less. We finished ahead of Liverpool, Spurs and Villa last season, they've bought big stars into their teams and now they are top 4 we aren't. Long term perhaps we'll catch them up, but that's not going to save this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, TRon said: True, but if they do have the right manager and structure behind the scenes then they can spend more money and slot right back into the top 4 positions ahead of teams who spend less. We finished ahead of Liverpool, Spurs and Villa last season, they've bought big stars into their teams and now they are top 4 we aren't. Long term perhaps we'll catch them up, but that's not going to save this season. Villa and Spurs have bypassed us because they have had no European commitments. Liverpool have the Europa league where they have largely been able to use their backups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeepShow4life Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 15 hours ago, KaKa said: Stop all this crying about FFP for goodness sake. We have good people in charge that have been excellent in getting good players in. It's all going to be navigated just fine and dare I say much better than the majority of other clubs. Better than crying and insulting people everytime someone has a different opinion to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 9 minutes ago, PeepShow4life said: Better than crying and insulting people everytime someone has a different opinion to you. Did you come up with that all by yourself? Very clever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 12 minutes ago, KaKa said: Villa and Spurs have bypassed us because they have had no European commitments. Liverpool have the Europa league where they have largely been able to use their backups. Villa have European commitments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 1 minute ago, Conjo said: Villa have European commitments. Not real ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 We could have and really should have used our back ups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 Just now, OverThere said: We could have and really should have used our back ups. If we had done so and got smashed people would be complaining and saying the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 9 minutes ago, KaKa said: Not real ones. I’d be delighted to be in it next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, KaKa said: If we had done so and got smashed people would be complaining and saying the opposite. Not me. We need to make the CL to get the income but apart from that I have little interest in the tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: I’d be delighted to be in it next season Yeah, same. My point with that remark was that they are largely able to rest their key players in the early stage of the tournament. Because of this their first team squad isn't being pushed to the limit. For example we'd likely have been able to use the likes of Hall, Dummet, Ritchie and even some othr under 21 players outside of Miley in that if we were in it this season. Edited January 13, 2024 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 13, 2024 Share Posted January 13, 2024 Just now, KaKa said: Yeah, same. My point with that remark was that they are largely able to rest their key players in the early stage if the tournament. Because of this their first team squad isn't being pushed to the limit. For example we'd likely have been able to use the likes of Hall, Dummet, Ritchie and even some othr under 21 players outside of Miley in that if we were in it this season. Oh yeah, I agree with you, you can’t compare who they have had to face in Europe this season to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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