NUFC Transfer Rumours

[LFEE]

13 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Brighton fans don't think we'll be far off with the Pedro bid, but they need to mitigate Watford's sell on clause.

Another sell on clause? So all 3 players we are after have sell on clause’s. Hope we’ve deep PSR pockets.

[Optimistic Nut]

Just now, andycap said:

I've stated two opinions on foreign market deals and our sell on clause scouting. and you get nowt but people trying to argue against it.

 

So we just avoid players who've played for big clubs' academies because they'll get £4-5m of any fee? Give over man.

[andycap]

Just now, Optimistic Nut said:

 

So we just avoid players who've played for big clubs' academies because they'll get £4-5m of any fee? Give over man.

No I'm saying we want the players but the selling club want an inflated fee to get a profit after the sell on clause is activated. 

[andycap]

2 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Another sell on clause? So all 3 players we are after have sell on clause’s. Hope we’ve deep PSR pockets.

He gets it

[andycap]

2 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Another sell on clause? So all 3 players we are after have sell on clause’s. Hope we’ve deep PSR pockets.

Four Guehi Pedro Elanga trafford

[gbandit]

Have people lost their minds? We’re targeting players to come into the first team, it’s only players who haven’t broken through who don’t have sell on clauses. You can argue about how we should be shopping in different markets but wherever we search for established players there are most likely going to be sell on clauses nowadays 

[andycap]

Just now, gbandit said:

Have people lost their minds? We’re targeting players to come into the first team, it’s only players who haven’t broken through who don’t have sell on clauses. You can argue about how we should be shopping in different markets but wherever we search for established players there are most likely going to be sell on clauses nowadays 

Then be prepared for inflated fees our psr is gonna take a big hit. 

[jack j]

19 minutes ago, midds said:

My main concern this summer is the fact other clubs know we've got cash to spend. As soon as we make any kind of bid then then the price goes up immediately. This happens anyway but I think it's even more pronounced as they know they can hike the price up and up and up and we're either forced to pay it or move on to the next in the list. Getting deals done at reasonable price is virtually impossible when they know NUFC is the buying club. I don't blame them but it's definitely an issue we need to contend with  

Is it really just us not getting deals done at a so called reasonable price? 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, andycap said:

Then be prepared for inflated fees our psr is gonna take a big hit. 

Would you rather we go for Simons from Leipzig for 60 million ?

[gbandit]

Just now, andycap said:

Then be prepared for inflated fees our psr is gonna take a big hit. 

All fees are inflated. Unless you can get players on release clauses or in their final year of contract then every window prices go up. For the top players with release clauses and entering a final year then it’s very difficult for us to be first choice because we can’t offer top wages and we’re not an established top four team 

[Conjo]

4 minutes ago, andycap said:

No I'm saying we want the players but the selling club want an inflated fee to get a profit after the sell on clause is activated. 

 

Sell on clauses are usually a percentage of the the profit, not the whole transfer fee, so the selling club will get a profit anyway as long as the accepted sum is higher than what they paid for the player themselves.

[andycap]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

Would you rather we go for Simons from Leipzig for 60 million ?

Yep I would but I'd try and negotiate his price down. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, andycap said:

Yep I would but I'd try and negotiate his price down. 

He also has a sell on clause.. poor scouting.

[andycap]

1 minute ago, Conjo said:

 

Sell on clauses are usually a percentage of the the profit, not the whole transfer fee, so the selling club will get a profit anyway as long as the accepted sum is higher than what they paid for the player themselves.

Yeah so if burnley paid 15 million for Trafford they'd be wanting double the price before selling. 

[andycap]

1 minute ago, SUPERTOON said:

He also has a sell on clause.. poor scouting.

He's a better talent then Elanga and Pedro for the same price. 

[Joelinton7]

22 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Brighton will sell Pedro at that price if no one else matches it. They’re desperate to get rid. We shouldn’t be pushing the bid too high. If those disgusting vermin at Chelsea want to bid stupid money for him then so be it. Vile rodents

Hello Chelsea my old friend 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, andycap said:

He's a better talent then Elanga and Pedro for the same price. 

But he has a sell on fee, something you were taking issue with. He also has one more goal involvement than Elanga last season. Fwiw I am a big fan of Simons but you can’t pick and choose your arguments.

[andycap]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

But he has a sell on fee, something you were taking issue with. He also has one more goal involvement than Elanga last season. Fwiw I am a big fan of Simons but you can’t pick and choose your arguments.

Have we bid for Simons like? 

[Optimistic Nut]

12 minutes ago, andycap said:

No I'm saying we want the players but the selling club want an inflated fee to get a profit after the sell on clause is activated. 

 

We can cover the costs with the inflated fees we stick on Willock & Gordon for their sell-on clauses to Arsenal and Everton so we're good. 

[Turnbull2000]

20 minutes ago, STM said:

 

What big club doesn't have this problem? Liverpool have paid what id consider a premium for each of their signings. Leverkusen rightly took them to the cleaners.

 

The actually issue is that while certain clubs can pay that premium, we've got the threat of PSR looming over us.

 

2 years ago, under Staveley, we'd have likely already paid what these clubs are asking. Understandably we are being more thoughtful now.

 

It trickles down too. Don't think Howe will let Willock or Longstaff go without feeling like hes really got the most back on them. Be thankful that we are being over quoted on good players.

 

Even if we bring in 3 decent signings, our squad is still too shallow to handle what's coming next season. We need to keep Willock and Longstaff as 3rd choices and for early round domestic cups. Otherwise it only takes 4-5 injuries and we're back to a bench of keepers and kids.

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Turnbull2000

[GallowgatePigeon]

This window for me is all about raising the floor of the squad.

 

Let's say for the sake of simple maths (cause I'm a simple man) we have a budget of 200million.

 

Option A: Buy 1-3 purples and spend the rest on cheap punts who'll either develop into serviceable squad players or be PSR flips.

+ The purples will be instant upgrades on positions of need

+ If one of the cheap punts turns into a decent player we've won a watch

- We likely won't address all positions of need

- If one or more of the purples flop, it'll be a disaster

- Most of the punts won't be of any use in the short term and many won't ever play a minute for us

 

Option B: Buy 5/6 good players at a similar quality to what we already have.

+ Most will be dependable, proven PL quality

+ They'll allow us to give our starters a breather so we don't run them into the groud a la Isak & Joelinton

+ Eddie is one of the best in the business for unlocking a players potential

- If we're mainly buying from the PL, we'll be charged a premium 

- There likely won't be any 'marquee' signings as such

- It's debatable as to whether the new signings are a clear improvement on what we already have

 

Option B IMO is the way forward.

Our starting 11 is very good, but once you start scratching beneath the surface of that you soon realise that the drop off is stark. 

We just about scraped into CL this year and that was without any European distractions, last time we were in Europe our squad got decimated. Be under no illusions, it'll serve us better this season to have 6 good players than 3 very good players.

 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by GallowgatePigeon

[Weezertron]

Ever dawn on you that you hate this forum and most of the people on it? 

[Lotus]

3 hours ago, simonsays said:

And if Isak picks up an injury?  Who do you play? Osula?  Gordon? 

 

 

 

 

I think that's my point though, I'm not sure Pedro does offer cover for Isak. He's goal scoring record (non penalties) was what? 4 or 5? 

I reckon Osula could that many, at least.

[KaKa]

Think an additional 5 + another 5 in add ons on each of those three deals gets them done.

[Crimson Cardigan]

5 minutes ago, Lotus said:

 

I think that's my point though, I'm not sure Pedro does offer cover for Isak. He's goal scoring record (non penalties) was what? 4 or 5? 

I reckon Osula could that many, at least.

Osula? The guy who has never scored goals anywhere up to this point? Pedro is miles ahead of Osula currently and probably always will be.