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Despite the frustration, embarrassment, hysteria we have all been through the past couple of weeks, my initial thoughts for this window stay the same... 

 

..I trust Howe and the coaching staff with any fucker we get in to make them work. We just need to get some fuckers in that Howe and Co. want. If they fancy Jackson then I trust them.

 

The one thing this process is doing is making it very "us and them" you know you have other clubs and fans rattled when they are over the top obnoxious online and in the market to try and stop us. Hopefully that just makes everyone more determined.

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2 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

I was so excited 2 months ago.

It feels like a life time ago. Was absolutely fizzing for this window as well. We had so long to prepare and get out ducks in a row and we've somehow made an absolute meal of it. 

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2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

It feels like a life time ago. Was absolutely fizzing for this window as well. We had so long to prepare and get out ducks in a row and we've somehow made an absolute meal of it. 

 

If we're dropping to John McGinn levels and a player that will cost significantly more than they've so far proven to be worth, I'd rather just try a couple of loan deals if we're now having to resort to padding. Save our cash until someone bar Howe starts taking this stuff seriously. 

 

That's not to say McGinn isnt alright and Jackson doesnt have some attributes that could make him good, but its so reactionary and short termist that I cant see the positives. Its come to something when I say I really hope we get Wissa, it's seemingly the only semi guarantee of goals we have available. Class.

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7 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

If we're dropping to John McGinn levels and a player that will cost significantly more than they've so far proven to be worth, I'd rather just try a couple of loan deals if we're now having to resort to padding. Save our cash until someone bar Howe starts taking this stuff seriously. 

 

That's not to say McGinn isnt alright and Jackson doesnt have some attributes that could make him good, but its so reactionary and short termist that I cant see the positives. Its come to something when I say I really hope we get Wissa, it's seemingly the only semi guarantee of goals we have available. Class.

Mcginn is a canny player however he's old, expensive and on a canny wedge he makes zero sense for us it's pure panic mode from us (if true). 

 

These kind of links are exactly why clubs don't let managers do transfers btw, we all love Eddie and he's the king of the north but he needs a prime minister to do the transfers like.

 

Btw No are we ready for the Andy Howe chat yet? Ive been waiting for it since I said he should be nowhere the job and got absolutely destroyed for that opinion :lol:

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Just now, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

He's clearly not who we want in the role, but lets be honest given our list and the competition we came up against I dont think anyone would have had any more success. If we'd been the only one in for any of those we've missed out on they'd be here by now.

It's not about that, I'm not mad at him for not getting deals done it isn't his job. My point remains as it did at the time he shouldn't have a job at this club and he wouldn't have a job at any other top club either. 

 

He's there because of nepotism. And sorry for this I saw Mcginn and Jackson and our name linked before I drank my coffee and violence was the option for today :lol:

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1 minute ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

Bar Trafford. If we'd have paid more then we'd like to earlier he'd be here.

Personally, I couldn't give a toss about Trafford I get people really liked the idea of the transfer but for me I couldn't care. 

 

I don't see the value of developing a goal keeper, you just get the best off the shelf you can afford imo. We have some weird obsession with England's future number 1 as if we are Sunderland fans when Pickford game through, it baffles me. 

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5 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

It's not about that, I'm not mad at him for not getting deals done it isn't his job. My point remains as it did at the time he shouldn't have a job at this club and he wouldn't have a job at any other top club either. 

 

He's there because of nepotism. And sorry for this I saw Mcginn and Jackson and our name linked before I drank my coffee and violence was the option for today :lol:

 

I very probably agree he shouldnt, I know nothing about him but stick his quick CV in front of me compared to anyone else that's done that job and you'd be picking anyone but him. I just dont think that's the problem here. Change him this summer and I dont see a different outcome. 

 

 

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Just now, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

I very probably agree he shouldnt, I know nothing about him but stick his quick CV in front of me compared to anyone else that's done that job and you'd be picking anyone but him. I just dint think that's the problem here. Change him this summer and I dont see a different outcome. 

Aye probably not, the position is more one of principle, it's something I mentioned long before this summer :lol:

 

That being said and to bring the focus back from my tangent, it seems we have very good options left so we are in damage limitation mode. We should probably look to fill the squad as cheaply as possible with players who we won't have to take a haircut on later down the line. 

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6 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Expand on that please Discman. Rare to see more than a paragraph from you on football matters so do indulge us :lol:


From the outside it seemed an easily done transfer that the player was keen on and then we fucked about with for ages despite the manager clearly being keen and it being a long term investment with a (compared to forwards) relatively low fee. Waited around and he went elsewhere. Maybe the clause was always going to be activated by City? Who knows but I think it was there to be done.

You never know the whole ins and outs of it but for me it’s been the one that we were in position to do but didn’t for reasons unknown.


And I say this as someone who is happy enough with Pope. 

Either way it changed my opinion of us not getting things done. Most of the others were good luck but aye it was never going to happen. More annoying thing is it’s all played out in public.

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1 minute ago, Disco said:


From the outside it seemed an easily done transfer that the player was keen on and then we fucked about with for ages despite the manager clearly being keen and it being a long term investment with a (compared to forwards) relatively low fee. Waited around and he went elsewhere. Maybe the clause was always going to be activated by City? Who knows but I think it was there to be done.

You never know the whole ins and outs of it but for me it’s been the one that we were in position to do but didn’t for reasons unknown.


And I say this as someone who is happy enough with Pope. 

Yeah agree the deal was to be done. Are you referring to this summer though or last? This summer the fee was the stumbling block from what I can gather, I don't think we could do 40m and fill the other gaps. 

 

If we are talking last summer it was done but we pulled out after we got vlach for 20m. 

 

That's my understanding of the situation at least. 

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14 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Personally, I couldn't give a toss about Trafford I get people really liked the idea of the transfer but for me I couldn't care. 

 

I don't see the value of developing a goal keeper, you just get the best off the shelf you can afford imo. We have some weird obsession with England's future number 1 as if we are Sunderland fans when Pickford game through, it baffles me. 


Agree, Arrizabalagala is the best case supporting your argument

 

 

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3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Yeah agree the deal was to be done. Are you referring to this summer though or last? This summer the fee was the stumbling block from what I can gather, I don't think we could do 40m and fill the other gaps. 

 

If we are talking last summer it was done but we pulled out after we got vlach for 20m. 

 

That's my understanding of the situation at least. 


This. Last summer was an understandable mess but now with added context of this summer looks ever worse. I get it wasn’t priority but clearly the club/manager did and here we are.

Its all based on nowt like and I’ve tried to remain relatively calm and level headed about our business so far but it’s not getting any easier.

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2 minutes ago, Disco said:


This. Last summer was an understandable mess but now with added context of this summer looks ever worse. I get it wasn’t priority but clearly the club/manager did and here we are.

Its all based on nowt like and I’ve tried to remain relatively calm and level headed about our business so far but it’s not getting any easier.

Ahhh I hear you, I had our budget pegged at between 120-150m this summer. Putting the mess which is Isak to the side and keeper being say fourth or fifth priority I think it was prudent to let Trafford go elsewhere. 

 

Because if you do Trafford your left with between 30-50m to get a central midfielder and a centre half. Not really doable for the profile we need imo. 

 

And we are talking about a keeper to come in and learn the ropes for a year at least like we did with Hall imo. It just doesn't make sense to me but given the optics of the summer before and everyone thinking it was a done deal I absolutely understand why people may look at it differently. 

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17 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Cost Arsenal 5m was it? :lol:


yea, and he probably just enter his prime with at least 3/4 years left.

 

while Chelsea paid for what? 80m euro? For a GK they simply couldn’t rely on till he left.

 

thats fucking insane.

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