Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Hmmm a bit of a Google search would suggest that amortisation is included in the scr for both UEFA and the premier league. It seems a tad unfair that you include it in your costs and then have to deduct any unamortized value from a transfer fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 51 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: Have the new rules actually been voted in yet? The vote back in April was only 'in principle', and in June they voted to trial the squad cost rules this season. Also, we don't know the full details what the proposed rules are, I know it has been reported as including amortisation, but that seems bonkers and unworkable, pretty much every club would fail. In the UEFA rules the limit is just on wages and agent fees, not amortisation. So it would seem incredibly restrictive for the PL to restrict wages, agent fees and amortisation to 70% (or 85% if not in Europe). The PL press release in june that said "SCR will regulate on-pitch spend to a proportion (85 per cent) of a club’s football revenue and net profit/loss on player sales." I don't think that is the same thing as including amortisation. Yes you’re right they’re to be trialled alongside current PSR rules from next season, but UEFA has the 70% in place I believe, so not sure if any club breaching it will fall foul if competing in Europe next season ? Not sure most reports i read said amortisation will be included and assessed yearly, as opposed to 3 year rolling period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) If this Amor Tisation lad can play right wing then let’s just get him signed before the transfer window SLAMS SHUT Edited January 27 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 minutes ago, Colos Short and Curlies said: Hmmm a bit of a Google search would suggest that amortisation is included in the scr for both UEFA and the premier league. It seems a tad unfair that you include it in your costs and then have to deduct any unamortized value from a transfer fee. K.1.3 Amortisations/impairment of relevant persons’ costs are calculated from the licensee’s annual financial statements and/or interim financial statements as defined in Annex G. Annex G from UEFA rulebook for anyone who can understand and what the PL rules will trial. https://documents.uefa.com/r/UEFA-Club-Licensing-and-Financial-Sustainability-Regulations-2024/Annex-G-Accounting-requirements-for-the-preparation-of-financial-statements-Online Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Isn't football exciting, these days eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 6 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: K.1.3 Amortisations/impairment of relevant persons’ costs are calculated from the licensee’s annual financial statements and/or interim financial statements as defined in Annex G. Annex G from UEFA rulebook for anyone who can understand and what the PL rules will trial. https://documents.uefa.com/r/UEFA-Club-Licensing-and-Financial-Sustainability-Regulations-2024/Annex-G-Accounting-requirements-for-the-preparation-of-financial-statements-Online It's basically transfer fee divided by length of contract with adjustments for new contracts or where there is a reason to devalue the player. The rest is accounting jargon that says follow the accounting rules Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 10 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: K.1.3 Amortisations/impairment of relevant persons’ costs are calculated from the licensee’s annual financial statements and/or interim financial statements as defined in Annex G. Annex G from UEFA rulebook for anyone who can understand and what the PL rules will trial. https://documents.uefa.com/r/UEFA-Club-Licensing-and-Financial-Sustainability-Regulations-2024/Annex-G-Accounting-requirements-for-the-preparation-of-financial-statements-Online Just looking through that and seems that I was wrong and @Colos Short and Curlies is right, amortisation costs are included but, strangely, profit on player sales is over 36 months whereas everything else is over 12 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Any rumours? No? Just more spreadsheet wankery. Every fucking thread, I swear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 13 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: Just looking through that and seems that I was wrong and @Colos Short and Curlies is right, amortisation costs are included but, strangely, profit on player sales is over 36 months whereas everything else is over 12 months. Sounds like nice and simple for the fans to follow what's going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nobody said: Sounds like nice and simple for the fans to follow what's going on. It does make sense in a way.... Let's say you sell someone for £60m profit in June then if it was 1 year recognition you would lose it straight away. Spread it over 3 years and the club has a chance to recycle it into new signings. Still think it should be gross fee though and not profit. Maybe take any amortisation in the year you sell and the fee over 3, deterrent against flipping Edit, overall the scr are a lot easier to work out and give less room for Man U shenanigans Edited January 27 by Colos Short and Curlies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumG6 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Seeing all this talk of different UEFA rulings for amortisation just shows how fucking shite football has got (no slight against anyone here btw!) We used to discuss matches, performances, transfer talk and other stuff directly related to the game. Feel like I need to take an undergraduate degree in Law to understand the game nowadays, really is a bitter pill to swallow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Lush Vlad said: Any rumours? No? Just more spreadsheet wankery. Every fucking thread, I swear. Agree. Too bad we don't have a thread specifically dedicated to this topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, Lush Vlad said: Any rumours? No? Just more spreadsheet wankery. Every fucking thread, I swear. PSR Ultras strike again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 You know the rules are shite when people know all about this stuff in depth. Football shouldn’t be talking about any of this, yet here we fucking are. Surrounded by spreadsheet hell instead of getting excited by the club recruiting the players we need. The only ones who should give a shit about book balancing is the CFO of the club and his finance team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 8 hours ago, CallumG6 said: Seeing all this talk of different UEFA rulings for amortisation just shows how fucking shite football has got (no slight against anyone here btw!) We used to discuss matches, performances, transfer talk and other stuff directly related to the game. Feel like I need to take an undergraduate degree in Law to understand the game nowadays, really is a bitter pill to swallow. A Law degree would be handy when it comes to discussing the ongoing APT rules hearing But if you really want to get involved in football discussions these days it’s actually PhD’s in Accountancy or Statistics (ideally both) that you need And an endless supply of ProPlus too Edited January 28 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 12 hours ago, Alberto2005 said: It's so boring. We must be in some PSR shit to not even able to get any kind of signing in this month given the last few windows. I can only assume both Mitchell and Howe are in agreement that the squad needs an overhaul, and unless an amazing opportunity comes available, it’s better waiting till summer when prices are more stable, can bring players in at a fresh start and it’s easier to move on a couple of players on top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Anyone know how we could afford to spent £89m on Guehi in the summer but now we've got nowt to spend? Makes no sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaztoon Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, Fak said: Anyone know how we could afford to spent £89m on Guehi in the summer but now we've got nowt to spend? Makes no sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewel Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 4 minutes ago, Fak said: Anyone know how we could afford to spent £89m on Guehi in the summer but now we've got nowt to spend? Makes no sense to me. We could spend it, but would have had to sell one of our top players before June 30th 2025 to comply with PSR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sushimonster85 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 6 minutes ago, Fak said: Anyone know how we could afford to spent £89m on Guehi in the summer but now we've got nowt to spend? Makes no sense to me. According to local journos we were never as high as even 80m, hovered around 60 before walking away. And as others have said, if we'd have done that deal we likely would have had to generate it back and then some before June 2025. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 21 minutes ago, sushimonster85 said: According to local journos we were never as high as even 80m, hovered around 60 before walking away. And as others have said, if we'd have done that deal we likely would have had to generate it back and then some before June 2025. No more than £55m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 4 minutes ago, Shearergol said: No more than £55m Mr. Pigden? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 What do you guys reckon? £60m? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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