Holmesy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 hour ago, TRon said: Finishing 4th was a miracle in the first place man. Have you seen the spending of the clubs around us this summer? Yes, that's kind of cementing my point though. I know we can't go out and spend a billion pounds but we've just finished 4th. Build on it. I guess there are two approaches - accept that it was a bit of a fluke and be happy with 6th next season or use it as a launch platform and try to cement our place in the top 4. Given the ambitions of our owners, I thought it would be the second option. As it is, it looks to be the first, and i can't be the only one that's disappointed with that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Holmesy said: Yes, that's kind of cementing my point though. I know we can't go out and spend a billion pounds but we've just finished 4th. Build on it. I guess there are two approaches - accept that it was a bit of a fluke and be happy with 6th next season or use it as a launch platform and try to cement our place in the top 4. Given the ambitions of our owners, I thought it would be the second option. As it is, it looks to be the first, and i can't be the only one that's disappointed with that? FFP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Holmesy said: Yes, that's kind of cementing my point though. I know we can't go out and spend a billion pounds but we've just finished 4th. Build on it. I guess there are two approaches - accept that it was a bit of a fluke and be happy with 6th next season or use it as a launch platform and try to cement our place in the top 4. Given the ambitions of our owners, I thought it would be the second option. As it is, it looks to be the first, and i can't be the only one that's disappointed with that? Out of interest, what would you want us to do differently? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: Out of interest, what would you want us to do differently? Eventhough he accepts we can't go out and spend a billion pounds, I think he wants us to go out and spend a billion pound Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: Out of interest, what would you want us to do differently? It’s mad that some people can be disappointed like. We have let a couple of squad players leave and signed two first team players. That’s improvement right there, but it isn’t so far hitting their crazy over the top expectations so it’s been disappointing. Fancy being disappointed going into this season man Might as well just give up with that outlook. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Holmesy said: Yes, that's kind of cementing my point though. I know we can't go out and spend a billion pounds but we've just finished 4th. Build on it. I guess there are two approaches - accept that it was a bit of a fluke and be happy with 6th next season or use it as a launch platform and try to cement our place in the top 4. Given the ambitions of our owners, I thought it would be the second option. As it is, it looks to be the first, and i can't be the only one that's disappointed with that? The issue is, if we take the gamble and it doesn't work we get set back further than we would have done if we hadn't finished 4th in the previous season. Not saying the situation would be exactly the same, but look at Everton. It's a (unfair) tightrope we are being forced to walk thanks to a system that's put in place to protect the 'established' top 4/6 clubs. As much as they may try and claim it's there to protect clubs from owners who overspend then dump the clubs, it really isn't. There's plenty of other rules you could implement to protect clubs from that threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 hour ago, STM said: It's such a simple concept. It's getting painful having to point this stuff out. We are ahead of ourselves. It just isn't as simple as you're making out. Plans and targets can be fluid and readjusted if your momentum/achievement is greater than you forecasted. It comes down to aggression of ambition, and personally i'm disappointed that we don't look to be building significantly on our achievement, despite it being ahead of where we thought we'd be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, jack j said: FFP S for the P. Edited August 3, 2023 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Holmesy said: It just isn't as simple as you're making out. Plans and targets can be fluid and readjusted if your momentum/achievement is greater than you forecasted. It comes down to aggression of ambition, and personally i'm disappointed that we don't look to be building significantly on our achievement, despite it being ahead of where we thought we'd be. Again, Everton spent aggressively and look at them. We can't just pluck a 50m a season shirt sponsor out of our arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Holmesy said: It just isn't as simple as you're making out. Plans and targets can be fluid and readjusted if your momentum/achievement is greater than you forecasted. It comes down to aggression of ambition, and personally i'm disappointed that we don't look to be building significantly on our achievement, despite it being ahead of where we thought we'd be. Hopefully when the champions league fixtures are announced and the games start, you might be able to get out of your disappointment and enjoy the football. Sorry on behalf of the club though, that you are struggling with what is happening. It’s disappointing as fuck being a Newcastle fan…….. Edited August 3, 2023 by reefatoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Out of interest, what would you want us to do differently? Plug the glaring gaps in our squad and build greater strength in depth. As people have pointed out, we're at risk if any or some of Burn, Tripper, Schar, Botman, Wilson and Isak, Miggy, Barnes get injured. And by screwed, obviously we have players who can fill in but the step down is significant. We have a CB playing at LB and our right side options aren't good enough for a Champions League campaign (IMO). All i'm saying is I would've expected us to sign 3/4 first team players in key positions by now. I'm not talking about a squad overhaul in one window. It's realistic concern based on the above. I don't want us to go into the CL with Jacob Murphy at right wing because Miggy is injured. I'd rather we went in with a quality right forward and Miggy as our backup. It's not an outrageous concept. Edited August 3, 2023 by Holmesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 It's wild like, it's like some people want to fast forward a few years to where not getting top 4 will be a reason to be gutted/sack a manager. These are still the fun days, people need to enjoy it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, Holmesy said: It just isn't as simple as you're making out. Plans and targets can be fluid and readjusted if your momentum/achievement is greater than you forecasted. It comes down to aggression of ambition, and personally i'm disappointed that we don't look to be building significantly on our achievement, despite it being ahead of where we thought we'd be. I've no idea what you mean by "aggression of ambition" unless you're saying we have loads of spending room and aren't doing it because we are happy to be where we are ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Just now, Holmesy said: we're screwed if Burn, Tripper, Schar, Botman, Wilson and Isak, Miggy, Barnes get injured. Any side in the league that isn't Man City would be screwed with an injury crisis like that. We can't spend 200m this window, as much as people seem to want to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, reefatoon said: Hopefully when the champions league fixtures are announced and the games start, you might be able to get out of your disappointment and enjoy the football. Sorry on behalf of the club though, that you are struggling with what is happening. It’s disappointing as fuck being a Newcastle fan…….. Calm down with the drama pal. I'm not saying we're shit and the club is in crisis. This is the Transfer Rumours thread and we're discussing the club's transfer activity. You've been in here long enough to know people don't necessarily agree with each other and that's ok. I'm not slagging the club off, i'm just expressing disappointment that we haven't done more (yet). We might end the window with a flurry of amazing first team signings. If not, i'll enjoy the season like everyone else. Edited August 3, 2023 by Holmesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 minute ago, sushimonster85 said: Any side in the league that isn't Man City would be screwed with an injury crisis like that. We can't spend 200m this window, as much as people seem to want to. I wasn't suggesting all of them at the same time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppy Chop Chop Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 And to think under Ashley I criticised the `Happy Clappers` the club can't win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 minute ago, sushimonster85 said: Any side in the league that isn't Man City would be screwed with an injury crisis like that. We can't spend 200m this window, as much as people seem to want to. exactly. We would be screwed if our whole team got injured. Lunatic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Hey wor flags, any chance of this flag for the opening game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, reefatoon said: exactly. We would be screwed if our whole team got injured. Lunatic. I've made a correction to the post because what i meant obviously wasn't clear. Fuck me, this site has almost gone the other way - any post that isn't unbridled joy or non-objective discussion is absolutely unacceptable! I'm not absolutely delighted we're going into a CL campaign with Dan Burn at left back but it seems anyone who doesn't share that opinion isn't a true fan. Edited August 3, 2023 by Holmesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 The window isn't over yet so things can change, but we are one CB injury away from Lascelles playing against the likes of Real Madrid in the champions league, in fact is Schar even declared fit after that knock the other week? I dont think its out there to suggest we need to do a bit more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 Just now, Holmesy said: "Personally i'm absolutely delighted we're going into a CL campaign with Dan Burn at left back and anyone who doesn't share that opinion isn't a true fan". Who's the lunatic?! Who said that like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 1 minute ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Who said that like? No one said it mate but that seems to be the suggestion on here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiotes Witch Doctor said: The window isn't over yet so things can change, but we are one CB injury away from Lascelles playing against the likes of Real Madrid in the champions league, in fact is Schar even declared fit after that knock the other week? I dont think its out there to suggest we need to do a bit more. Careful mate. Get your helmet on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) Love how every other day we get an article about adding personel to our corporate structure, adding personel to our backroom staff, adding players and staff to our academy. Articles on the club planning to improve the stadium and training ground. Articles on growing the brand world wide "Fooking club isn't building on last season" Edited August 3, 2023 by TBG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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