Harvey Barnes

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Agreed. Stats don't take into account stuff like how football works in transition, e.g., Barnes doesn't hold onto the ball to show off party tricks, he'll pick it up and release it quickly if the moment requires it, that can get the ball from a defensive position to attack very quickly. Also his team mates will trust him to release the ball so will make runs ahead of him instead of holding back to see if he wants to juggle it a few times.

 

Yes, exactly. I would often complain that Miggy needed to take players on more, but then I began to notice that him looking for the give and go was getting him into goal scoring positions a lot more, and realised it might be an approach we specifically worked on as a team to create more chances for our wide players.

 

Howe has also always talked about wide forwards rather than wingers when talking about wide players, and I'm beginning to think that was very purposeful. I think he wants wide players with good movement off the ball that get into goal scoring positions.

 

 

[Whitley mag]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Agreed. Stats don't take into account stuff like how football works in transition, e.g., Barnes doesn't hold onto the ball to show off party tricks, he'll pick it up and release it quickly if the moment requires it, that can get the ball from a defensive position to attack very quickly. Also his team mates will trust him to release the ball so will make runs ahead of him instead of holding back to see if he wants to juggle it a few times.

I think he’s speedy in transition and can hit a ball, but stats from last season in terms of progressive passing were shit, though granted in a poor team.

 

Be good to see what his assists, progressive passing stats were like in season Leicester won cup etc, just to see if last season was a one off.

[Smal]

Think this’ll mean ASM is off which would be sad, but I would like to see us try him on the right before we bin him off, like. Think he might be really productive and less predictable there in Howe’s system.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

I think he’s speedy in transition and can hit a ball, but stats from last season in terms of progressive passing were shit, though granted in a poor team.

 

Be good to see what his assists, progressive passing stats were like in season Leicester won cup etc, just to see if last season was a one off.

 

Again, I respect the stats, but just with the eye test, he seems a really intelligent footballer who strikes the ball very well. Even with his finishes you can see he doesn't just blast it blindly. If he signs I reckon Howe will make him look twice the footballer he is now. In a better team which is coached properly, he looks the sort who could deliver exactly what we require.

[sempuki]

8 minutes ago, George Bailey said:

Would be delighted with him at ours.

Have admired him for a while.

Lad has talent and is a grafter, add EH managing him and I think this is smart business ?

He'll graft like he's never grafted before under EH.

[Pata]

13 minutes ago, TheHoob said:

 

if you discount the stat that wins you games his stats are diabolical. I am smart. 

His stats didn’t really win games last season though. 

[Barnes23]

[The Prophet]

I'm all for debating the merits of a potential signing, it is a forum after all, but given our success in the transfer market to date you do have to just trust the transfer panel to a degree. They've earned it.

 

 

Edited July 8, 2023 by The Prophet

[McCormick]

No matter what I or anyone else has said about his ability, if he manages around 13 goals for us this season it’s 30-odd million very well spent.

[Guest reefatoon]

32 minutes ago, gdm said:

 

 Take away what he is good at and look at his stats 

 

Don’t know about anyone else, but I think goals are canny important in football, but hey ho, let’s just ignore them so we can slag him off 

 

I’d say he was a wide forward too.

[The College Dropout]

17 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Agreed. Stats don't take into account stuff like how football works in transition, e.g., Barnes doesn't hold onto the ball to show off party tricks, he'll pick it up and release it quickly if the moment requires it, that can get the ball from a defensive position to attack very quickly. Also his team mates will trust him to release the ball so will make runs ahead of him instead of holding back to see if he wants to juggle it a few times.

 
 

 

 

 

To paint a fuller picture. Barnes doesn’t get on the ball much in general.  From the stats you can see why he is accused of going missing. When he does get on the ball he’s giving it away a lot and he’s not even attempting progressive passes while doing so. And he’s lazy to boot. 
 

Bur he gets into good positions and is an excellent finisher off both feet (and good in the air apparently). 
 

HES NOT A GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYER. BUT HES A GOALSCORER. 

 

The idea that he’s coming to sit on the bench is fanciful imo. 
 

Howe has signed 2 wingers. Both quick and direct. This is what he wants atleast. 

[arnonel]

This isn't happening. Close thread

[The College Dropout]

‘He’s a grafter’ why do people say this?

 

[gbandit]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

‘He’s a grafter’ why do people say this?

 

Trying to build up their identity to the point they have enough confidence to go on The Apprentice 

[The Prophet]

 

[TRon]

19 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

 
 

 

 

 

To paint a fuller picture. Barnes doesn’t get on the ball much in general.  From the stats you can see why he is accused of going missing. When he does get on the ball he’s giving it away a lot and he’s not even attempting progressive passes while doing so. And he’s lazy to boot. 
 

Bur he gets into good positions and is an excellent finisher off both feet (and good in the air apparently). 
 

HES NOT A GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYER. BUT HES A GOALSCORER. 

 

The idea that he’s coming to sit on the bench is fanciful imo. 
 

Howe has signed 2 wingers. Both quick and direct. This is what he wants atleast. 

 

 

I'm sure Howe is as aware of those stats as everyone else. I haven't played football simulation games for years so I am very much out of the loop, but I guess he sees something else which he reckons he can work with. Like I said, he looks the type who likes to release the ball quickly if there's a quick pass on, looks an intelligent footballer to me regardless of the stats.

[The Prophet]

Also worth remembering, Howe will work on his weaknesses and get that extra 20%-30% from him.

[The College Dropout]

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

I'm sure Howe is as aware of those stats as everyone else. I haven't played football simulation games for years so I am very much out of the loop, but I guess he sees something else which he reckons he can work with. Like I said, he looks the type who likes to release the ball quickly if there's a quick pass on, looks an intelligent footballer to me regardless of the stats.

Based on what?

 

Head down, run and shoot. 

[KaKa]

25 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

 
 

 

 

 

To paint a fuller picture. Barnes doesn’t get on the ball much in general.  From the stats you can see why he is accused of going missing. When he does get on the ball he’s giving it away a lot and he’s not even attempting progressive passes while doing so. And he’s lazy to boot. 
 

Bur he gets into good positions and is an excellent finisher off both feet (and good in the air apparently). 
 

HES NOT A GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYER. BUT HES A GOALSCORER. 

 

The idea that he’s coming to sit on the bench is fanciful imo. 
 

Howe has signed 2 wingers. Both quick and direct. This is what he wants atleast. 

 

Always worth looking at the numbers on fbref by individual seasons, using the scouting report tab.

 

Last season wasn't great for Leicester in general. Here are his numbers from the 2021-2022 season and the 2020-2021 season, which look a lot better,

 

 

[Shadow Puppets]

30 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

 
 

 

 

 

To paint a fuller picture. Barnes doesn’t get on the ball much in general.  From the stats you can see why he is accused of going missing. When he does get on the ball he’s giving it away a lot and he’s not even attempting progressive passes while doing so. And he’s lazy to boot. 
 

Bur he gets into good positions and is an excellent finisher off both feet (and good in the air apparently). 
 

HES NOT A GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYER. BUT HES A GOALSCORER. 

 

The idea that he’s coming to sit on the bench is fanciful imo. 
 

Howe has signed 2 wingers. Both quick and direct. This is what he wants atleast. 

None of those stats correlate to anything I’ve seen of him. He always seems dangerous and heavily involved in the game. I watched a lot of a Leicester towards the end of the season and he was always one of the few to put a real shift in ?‍♂️

[KievKev]

Why were you watching a lot of Leicester? 

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Always worth looking at the numbers on fbref by individual seasons, using the scouting report tab.

 

Last season wasn't great for Leicester in general. Here are his numbers from the 2021-2022 season and the 2020-2021 season, which look a lot better,

 

 

True. But with Barnes in particular... the trends are consistent even if he’s better/worse. 
 

Finishing is consistently excellent 

Xg, getting the ball in attacking areas and progressive carries good to great. Aerial duals good. 
 

Expected assists, passing both in terms of creativity, progression and accuracy, shot creation, beating a man, average to poor. Leicester must have some great finishers, he always exceeds expected assists.  

[KievKev]

I'm not a huge fan of this. Gordon and Barnes in a front three is pretty nightmareish in any game that requires guile or creativity or intelligence on the ball. 

[MrRaspberryJam]

1 minute ago, KievKev said:

I'm not a huge fan of this. Gordon and Barnes in a front three is pretty nightmareish in any game that requires guile or creativity or intelligence on the ball. 

kev man. Relax. If it works out then great. If it doesn’t we’ll sign someone better and go again. 

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

True. But with Barnes in particular... the trends are consistent even if he’s better/worse. 
 

Finishing is consistently excellent 

Xg, getting the ball in attacking areas and progressive carries good to great. Aerial duals good. 
 

Expected assists, passing both in terms of creativity, progression and accuracy, shot creation, beating a man, average to poor. Leicester must have some great finishers, he always exceeds expected assists.  

 

It'll be interesting. Think there is still room for growth with him, which is good.

 

I do really appreciate his ability to get into dangerous positions and to actually finish. The number of times we were so wasteful in the final third last season was frustrating, so that will be a huge addition. I think by getting into such dangerous positions he also ends up picking up a lot of assists by virtue of that too.