Harvey Barnes

[Dr.Spaceman]

Yet we pine for a player who had little to no output in Elliot Anderson 

[LFEE]

16 hours ago, nemtizz said:

Good player but one dimensional. He'd be an impact player if PSR didn't exist.

I wonder if that was/is the plan and we are looking for PSR to fall apart. You just have to look at Liverpool to see what difference multiple dangerous wide players can make both sides with different playing styles. Can dig you out of many holes and gain you points from anywhere when not playing at your best.

[Groundhog63]

19 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I wonder if that was/is the plan and we are looking for PSR to fall apart. You just have to look at Liverpool to see what difference multiple dangerous wide players can make both sides with different playing styles. Can dig you out of many holes and gain you points from anywhere when not playing at your best.

Nunez........£64-75m

Diaz............£50m

Salah..........£34m in 2017. Best RW in the world??

Gakpo.........£35m

 

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by Groundhog63

[Kid Icarus]

Bit more understandable why Howe has been using him as an impact sub now isn't it?

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Bit more understandable why Howe has been using him as an impact sub now isn't it?

Aye, which makes the signing all the more questionable in the first place.

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

Aye, which makes the signing all the more questionable in the first place.

Counterpoint: Trossard and Jota. Nothing remotely unusual about having a specialist impact sub to make the difference for you.

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Counterpoint: Trossard and Jota. Nothing remotely unusual about having a specialist impact sub to make the difference for you.

It’s not when you have a balanced squad. When you have more pressing positions to fill and have to be careful with funds I’d say it is.

[Kid Icarus]

5 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

It’s not when you have a balanced squad. When you have more pressing positions to fill and have to be careful with funds I’d say it is.

It was an opportunity though wasn't it? I don't think Barnes is the player I'm looking at and thinking we could have chosen a different position to spend our money on. For that I'd probably say just going all in on Guehi and not pivoting to an RW much earlier. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

It was an opportunity though wasn't it? I don't think Barnes is the player I'm looking at and thinking we could have chosen a different position to spend our money on. For that I'd probably say just going all in on Guehi and not pivoting to an RW much earlier. 

Aye, although I don’t think we signed him to be an impact sub. I just think Howe doesn’t know how to use him and Gordon in the same 11. 

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

Aye, although I don’t think we signed him to be an impact sub. I just think Howe doesn’t know how to use him and Gordon in the same 11. 

If the Amazon documentary is anything to go by, Gordon was originally our RW signing. Easy to say with hindsight but if Barnes doesn't break his toe last season we probably would have seen more of him left, Gordon right.

[SUPERTOON]

2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

If the Amazon documentary is anything to go by, Gordon was originally our RW signing. Easy to say with hindsight but if Barnes doesn't break his toe last season we probably would have seen more of him left, Gordon right.

Hopefully we see some more of it over next couple of months. Got to be worth persisting with until January at least.

[Menace]

He can't be moaning about PSR when he effectively spent £40m on an impact sub then

[duo]

It was a very odd signing when we had Gordon and needed a RW more.

 

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by duo

[Smal]

Gordon had just spent 6 months looking like an average champo player when we signed Barnes, mind. We didn't know whether he was going to play left or right for us either. In hindsight it does look like we could've spent our money better though. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 minutes ago, Smal said:

Gordon had just spent 6 months looking like an average champo player when we signed Barnes, mind. We didn't know whether he was going to play left or right for us either. In hindsight it does look like we could've spent our money better though. 

 

I don't remember this period

[Smal]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I don't remember this period

the 6 months after Gordon signed? He was shocking imo . The good U21 Euros he had really turned it round for him. 

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Smal said:

the 6 months after Gordon signed? He was shocking imo . The good U21 Euros he had really turned it round for him. 

 

 

Never felt he was shocking tbh. Even when he wasn't getting loads of assists or goals, he decent just because he would run at defences and open them up, and also run back and cover for 90mins.

[Elliottman]

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

Never felt he was shocking tbh. Even when he wasn't getting loads of assists or goals, he decent just because he would run at defences and open them up, and also run back and cover for 90mins.

 

I remember thinking 'I'm not sure what he does' and that we've spunked a lot of money on someone who doesnt look elite. Proved me wrong. 

 

[Smal]

34 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

Never felt he was shocking tbh. Even when he wasn't getting loads of assists or goals, he decent just because he would run at defences and open them up, and also run back and cover for 90mins.

I don’t remember him running back much. If anything it was the opposite because, by his own admission, he was really unfit.

[LFEE]

3 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

It was an opportunity though wasn't it? I don't think Barnes is the player I'm looking at and thinking we could have chosen a different position to spend our money on. For that I'd probably say just going all in on Guehi and not pivoting to an RW much earlier. 

Exactly this. It was the opportunity. Too many on here think you scout who you want then just pay the money they are worth and problem solved. 
 

Clubs don’t want to sell to us if they can help it. Look at the summer with Guehi. No different how Man Utd messed us about and Chelsea on occasions along with other clubs.

 

Playing a high octane style of football similar to Klopps Liverpool which was basically our blueprint both on and off the pitch it makes sense to get the player on your list WHEN you can.
 

Look at it a different way. Look how hard it’s been to sell two RW’s and replace them. ASM deal was possible. Miggy’s wasn’t so here we are.

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, LFEE said:

Exactly this. It was the opportunity. Too many on here think you scout who you want then just pay the money they are worth and problem solved. 
 

Clubs don’t want to sell to us if they can help it. Look at the summer with Guehi. No different how Man Utd messed us about and Chelsea on occasions along with other clubs.

 

Playing a high octane style of football similar to Klopps Liverpool which was basically our blueprint both on and off the pitch it makes sense to get the player on your list WHEN you can.
 

Look at it a different way. Look how hard it’s been to sell two RW’s and replace them. ASM deal was possible. Miggy’s wasn’t so here we are.

We could have looked at Cole Palmer, went for the same price. There where definitely other options out there.

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Exactly this. It was the opportunity. Too many on here think you scout who you want then just pay the money they are worth and problem solved. 
 

Clubs don’t want to sell to us if they can help it. Look at the summer with Guehi. No different how Man Utd messed us about and Chelsea on occasions along with other clubs.

 

Playing a high octane style of football similar to Klopps Liverpool which was basically our blueprint both on and off the pitch it makes sense to get the player on your list WHEN you can.
 

Look at it a different way. Look how hard it’s been to sell two RW’s and replace them. ASM deal was possible. Miggy’s wasn’t so here we are.

This clubs don't want to sell to us narrative is clearly bullshit mind. Given most of our signings are from other British clubs. 

 

Clubs don't want to sell good players for cheap regardless of who's buying them. You can ask Arsenal how much of a favour west ham did doe rice or Chelsea the big favours they've received from Brighton. 

 

Premier league clubs by large and rich amongst the richest in the world they don't have pressure to sell on the cheap. 

[LFEE]

7 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

This clubs don't want to sell to us narrative is clearly bullshit mind. Given most of our signings are from other British clubs. 

 

Clubs don't want to sell good players for cheap regardless of who's buying them. You can ask Arsenal how much of a favour west ham did doe rice or Chelsea the big favours they've received from Brighton. 

 

Premier league clubs by large and rich amongst the richest in the world they don't have pressure to sell on the cheap. 

No it’s not. We’ve either got them because club is in distress or player surplus to requirements.

 

Off top of my head…

 

Pope - Burnley relegated.

Wood - Release clause.

Burn - Surplus as didn’t fit playing style at Brighton.

Targett - Surplus and wanted to fund replacements.

Tino - Southampton relegated.

Hall - Chelsea had 3-4 players ahead of him and needed PSR funds for that accounting period.

Gordon - Everton needed £40m to pay creditors off that window for new ground.

Barnes - Relegated and in PSR trouble.

Ashby - Tribunal 

 

Actually similar tales for Bruno, Botman, Isak and Tonali and Ousula. Only Trippier really when club did the player and us a favour.

 

Anyone else we’ve been rebuffed by club or player.

23 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

We could have looked at Cole Palmer, went for the same price. There where definitely other options out there.

We might of. Doesn’t mean he wanted to join us over Chelsea offering longer contract and higher wages overall in package. See Tosin.

[r0cafella]

7 minutes ago, LFEE said:

No it’s not. We’ve either got them because club is in distress or player surplus to requirements.

 

Off top of my head…

 

Pope - Burnley relegated.

Wood - Release clause.

Burn - Surplus as didn’t fit playing style at Brighton.

Targett - Surplus and wanted to fund replacements.

Tino - Southampton relegated.

Hall - Chelsea had 3-4 players ahead of him and needed PSR funds for that accounting period.

Gordon - Everton needed £40m to pay creditors off that window for new ground.

Barnes - Relegated and in PSR trouble.

Ashby - Tribunal 

 

Actually similar tales for Bruno, Botman, Isak and Tonali and Ousula. Only Trippier really when club did the player and us a favour.

 

Anyone else we’ve been rebuffed by club or player.

We might of. Doesn’t mean he wanted to join us over Chelsea offering longer contract and higher wages overall in package. See Tosin.

That illustrates my point perfectly, clubs are willing to deal with us on their own terms, the exact same scenario occurs across the league everyone is watching out for themselves. Nobody is doing anyone favours it's just we love to play the victim. 

[Holmesy]

2 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

That illustrates my point perfectly, clubs are willing to deal with us on their own terms, the exact same scenario occurs across the league everyone is watching out for themselves. Nobody is doing anyone favours it's just we love to play the victim. 

Exactly why it makes sense to focus overseas - less-affluent clubs more willing to let their prized assets leave because they can't turn the money down.

If that what Mitchell means by 'not fit for purpose', I couldn't agree more. Why make life so hard for yourself trying to battle with a team that considers you a rival and doesn't need the money when you could sign an equivalent player for half the money and a lot less hassle.