80 Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 14 minutes ago, macphisto said: I agree with @80 about fluffing us with words. I'd also add that I don't think the bid for for Guehi was genuine, a smokescreen to hide we weren't spending money but could say we tried. Are we really to believe money was there but we couldn't find anyone to improve a team that finished 7th last season? If we don't buy anyone in January, the messaging about January isn't sounding great at the moment, then it would confirm the money was never there for me. I say all of this in relation to Howe and where we finish. Who knows internally what our real targets are? I've always thought that was a valid possibility. A proper sick joke of a throwback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 (edited) Hoy him to West ham + £10m and get Bowen the other way. Otherwise he's our joint top scorer, also our currently only fit regular scorer this season. We can't sell him just to generate cash, we need to use the potential sale to fix things right now. Unpopular take time, I'd rather we'd have sold Gordon when his value was highest over the summer and let Barnes take over at LW but I'm very pragmatic about the approach to PSR. But here we are and Gordon with his new contract and current form is no longer a saleable asset but Barnes is. Edited December 4 by HawK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 He must be sick of life like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubteam Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 £40 million to sit on the bench behind Murphy, baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 He's not a right winger, and he isn't as good as others on the left. Bizarre signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Think it’s becoming more clear that Gordon was signed to be a RW, then Barnes signed as an opportunistic LW buy. Gordon start to 23-24 season, coupled with Barnes toe injury just as we would’ve looked to play both on those wings (like Brentford game), has seen us need to stick with Gordon LW and left us with a dilemma. Which seems to be the easy way out, cut the losses on Barnes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 I keep saying he needs a run of games starting in the team. It's unfair to judge the lad on sub appearances and the odd start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Get out and find a club that will make use of your ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 2 hours ago, The College Dropout said: I don't think "fluffing us" is a good idea. It raises expectations and contributes to an inferior atmosphere if the team doesn't meet those expectations. It also doesn't align with why Howe is so focussed on Prem proven players. Or his general demeanour and perspective. Atm that sounds like wishful thinking. I also agree that i don't think the money is there to spend because of our PSR issues. But that's largely the Owners' fault. They still might be targeting a top 5-7 finish. We did achieve it with less. PSR mistakes have been recognised by the owners and I'm guessing that's why Staveley and Mehrdad were moved on. Mitchell will be making different type of moves, although whether Howe will be happy about that remains to be seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 (edited) Buying Barnes is a real mystery. Other than being seen as a "bargain" coming from a relegated team, why on earth did we buy him over a genuine RW? Edited December 4 by OverThere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 1 minute ago, TRon said: PSR mistakes have been recognised by the owners and I'm guessing that's why Staveley and Mehrdad were moved on. Mitchell will be making different type of moves, although whether Howe will be happy about that remains to be seen. Agree. I just hope this Howe veto clause isn't true. Mitchell should be setting the overall course for the club. Right now Wilson should not be given an extension, Almiron should be shipped out along with Murphy and Barnes, and a proper RW purchased. I don't care if they are "good lads" or whatever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1tche Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Hand in a transfer request Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 5 minutes ago, OverThere said: Buying Barnes is a real mystery. Other than being seen as a "bargain" coming from a relegated team, why on earth did we buy him over a genuine RW? Because he was probably bought as a replacement for ASM, with rotation and squad depth in mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: Because he was probably bought as a replacement for ASM, with rotation and squad depth in mind. Wasn't that Gordon? It seems we have Joelinton, Gordon and Barnes that can all legitimately play LW. On the right we have no legitimate primary player, almost a bunch of back ups. Edited December 4 by OverThere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 (edited) Even at the time the signing was made, we were puzzled and had discussions about why we would sign an LW. Yet the club somehow didn't see this coming. Really strange. Edited December 4 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, OverThere said: Wasn't that Gordon? It seems we have Joelinton, Gordon and Barnes that can all legitimately play LW. On the right we have no legitimate primary player, almost a bunch of back ups. Gordon wss signed 6 months before ASM left, and going by the scouting report glimpsed in the documentary, was considered a RW. Also at the time Barnes was signed Gordon didn't look like a starter, Miggy was still an important player for us and Murphy looked to have developed into a very useful player. Edited December 4 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Not a good cameo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 He looks slower than I recall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Had 15 minutes, won the free kick for the equaliser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 1 minute ago, Kanj said: He looks slower than I recall Said it in the match thread, looks like an old man running. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Bring him on on the left side or not at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Needs game time. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 1 hour ago, Shearergol said: Needs game time. Simple as that. Where though and to do what? He’s a huge threat cutting in from the left onto his right but he doesn’t have one other standout aspect to his game. I like him but against tired legs on the left is his best chance to be a success here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 He’ll be away in January to make way for a RW imo. He won’t be happy with playing the ‘super sub’ role and if we’re being honest, he’s nowhere near Gordon’s level off the left. Personally id rather go with Gordon/Big or little Joe off the left with a proper RW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 3 hours ago, Jackie Broon said: Gordon wss signed 6 months before ASM left, and going by the scouting report glimpsed in the documentary, was considered a RW. Also at the time Barnes was signed Gordon didn't look like a starter, Miggy was still an important player for us and Murphy looked to have developed into a very useful player. I know I'm a broken record on this, but most questions about the Howe era have very simple explanations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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