Harvey Barnes

[Nucasol]

9 minutes ago, Elliottman said:

Been thinking about Harvey and you’ve got to think he’d be in contention to leave in January. He’s not a bench player and assuming you could recoup around £30 mil it would free up some much needed funds. Suppose the question would be could anyone afford him. He’s too good to sit on the bench for the rest of the season though. 

It wouldn’t. Barnes would have to go for what we paid him to make it worthwhile. Otherwise not countenancing it. We signed him for £40m. 18 months amortisation across a 5 year deal is £12m. We’d basically be able to spend £2m by the time you net his contract out.

[Paulus]

Barnes is the more clinical of the two, but as others have said Gordon is the better all-round team player. Started the season slowly and could use a goal or two to settle him down but his relentless running and now defensive work he puts in with Hall makes him undroppable right now. The whole team seem to be singing off the same hymn sheet again and without the utterly pointless nations league disruptions we're hitting form at the right time. Others need moving long before Barnes as it would mean investing in a position we're well covered for in the first place. Hope he stays and gets some more minutes as we need to manage workloads...Bromley is a perfect game for him next weekend.

[Elliottman]

3 minutes ago, Paulus said:

Barnes is the more clinical of the two, but as others have said Gordon is the better all-round team player. Started the season slowly and could use a goal or two to settle him down but his relentless running and now defensive work he puts in with Hall makes him undroppable right now. The whole team seem to be singing off the same hymn sheet again and without the utterly pointless nations league disruptions we're hitting form at the right time. Others need moving long before Barnes as it would mean investing in a position we're well covered for in the first place. Hope he stays and gets some more minutes as we need to manage workloads...Bromley is a perfect game for him next weekend.

I think it would be more of a case of Barnes wanting to go rather than us wanting to sell. Just can’t imagine he’ll want to play second fiddle to Gordon for…. ever?! Pure speculation obviously, might be happy as Larry. 

[Paulus]

5 minutes ago, Elliottman said:

I think it would be more of a case of Barnes wanting to go rather than us wanting to sell. Just can’t imagine he’ll want to play second fiddle to Gordon for…. ever?! Pure speculation obviously, might be happy as Larry. 

He might not granted, but if we can secure any form of European football, then he needs selling the fact that we absolutely need to be able to rotate fighting on four fronts and his game time will increase. 

[Rod]

8 hours ago, Paulus said:

He might not granted, but if we can secure any form of European football, then he needs selling the fact that we absolutely need to be able to rotate fighting on four fronts and his game time will increase. 

 

8 hours ago, Elliottman said:

I think it would be more of a case of Barnes wanting to go rather than us wanting to sell. Just can’t imagine he’ll want to play second fiddle to Gordon for…. ever?! Pure speculation obviously, might be happy as Larry. 

Have you seen the benches of teams like Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool?  Those teams have at least half a dozen seasoned internationals.  What makes you think Harvey Barnes would not be content at being involved with a fabulous squad that we have at this moment in time?  Do you think maybe that he would be happier playing regular in a shit team like Everton.

You are thinking this all wrong.  The more class players we have the better.  Whether they are on the bench or not.

[timeEd32]

We won't be doing it loudly, but I have to imagine we are very open to moving him on this month if someone is interested. He'd be an incredible asset if we qualify for Europe, but feels like a luxury we can't afford.

[andycap]

I'd keep him if Gordon were to get injured we don't have anyone in the squad that is as good a finisher from the left. 

[TRon]

5 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

We won't be doing it loudly, but I have to imagine we are very open to moving him on this month if someone is interested. He'd be an incredible asset if we qualify for Europe, but feels like a luxury we can't afford.

 

 

He'll be a good signing for someone, that's for sure. You pretty much are guaranteed a certain amount of goals a season from the left wing. He's just not better than Gordon.

[WilliamPS]

As with Trips/Tino, fans of this club are just totally unable to comprehend having two good players for the same position, and have a desperate need to get back to bare bones.

[Turnbull2000]

3 minutes ago, WilliamPS said:

As with Trips/Tino, fans of this club are just totally unable to comprehend having two good players for the same position, and have a desperate need to get back to bare bones.

 

The cartel clubs have the commercial revenue to comply with UEFA cost control ratios, whereas we seemingly don't. Meaning we have to trim squad depth over the next couple of years if we're to play in Europe.

[Stottie]

If we are fecked by PSR and can't buy a striker/RW, we need Barnes because Gordon is our second choice central striker.

[WilliamPS]

I’d add that when the team need a goal, Barnes is literally the only card Howe has to play at the moment. He is the only  way Howe can do something (usefully) different in the last 15 minutes.

 

Otherwise it’s bringing on Miggy and changing a midfielder. If Osula was ready or Wilson fit it might be different.

 

Even if a RW comes in, Howe isn’t going to want to have to rely on Murphy as the super sub.

[TRon]

10 minutes ago, WilliamPS said:

As with Trips/Tino, fans of this club are just totally unable to comprehend having two good players for the same position, and have a desperate need to get back to bare bones.

 

That's totally missing the point. Why would fans want to sell a good player? Especially one who is pretty much proven at this level and is still in his prime?

 

The only reason for it is the FFP/PSR which is driven by the cartel. Did you forget we had to sell Anderson and Minteh to balance the books only a few months ago despite having the richest owners in the world?

 

 

[TRC]

I don't think any Newcastle fan would want to sell Barnes if it wasn't due to PSR. 

[Gawalls]

1 hour ago, timeEd32 said:

We won't be doing it loudly, but I have to imagine we are very open to moving him on this month if someone is interested. He'd be an incredible asset if we qualify for Europe, but feels like a luxury we can't afford.

Howe has always said two for every position and Barnes fits one of those two, add on to this the amount of games he’s put to bed by scoring when coming off the bench I feel Howe will want to keep him, especially if true he asked Allison to stay then he’s surely defiantly going to want to keep Barnes.

[Holloway]

There'll be injuries, Barnes will get his chance 

[Jaqen]

We are one injury/suspension to Murphy, Isak or Gordon away from Barnes starting. Would be crazy to sell him in January especially as we paid £35m for him so not like it's a moneyspinner in terms of PSR either. 

[TRC]

2 minutes ago, Jaqen said:

We are one injury/suspension to Murphy, Isak or Gordon away from Barnes starting. Would be crazy to sell him in January especially as we paid £35m for him so not like it's a moneyspinner in terms of PSR either. 

Certainly not this season, after July 1st it becomes more appealing.

[Sibierski]

Barnes won’t be moving this January, but I don’t think we’ll be putting up a hard battle to keep him if a club offers £35m in summer. 

 

Willock / Longstaff will be ahead of him for planned sales, but all depends on who makes the offer first. 

[timeEd32]

1 hour ago, WilliamPS said:

As with Trips/Tino, fans of this club are just totally unable to comprehend having two good players for the same position, and have a desperate need to get back to bare bones.

 

In our current position we cannot afford to have two expensive players who play the same position and seemingly can't be accommodated in the starting XI at the same time. There's little point in having two good left wingers when we don't have a right winger (with apologies to Murphy's current form).

[cubaricho]

Getting rid of Barnes. Y’all crazy.  

[andycap]

39 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

Howe has always said two for every position and Barnes fits one of those two, add on to this the amount of games he’s put to bed by scoring when coming off the bench I feel Howe will want to keep him, especially if true he asked Allison to stay then he’s surely defiantly going to want to keep Barnes.

Allison? 😂 

[Gawalls]

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Edited Thursday at 19:14 by Gawalls

[Gawalls]

2 minutes ago, andycap said:

Allison? 😂 

😂😂 Almiron (even my autocorrect won’t acknowledge his existence) although he often plays like an Allison.

[Rod]

1 hour ago, timeEd32 said:

 

In our current position we cannot afford to have two expensive players who play the same position and seemingly can't be accommodated in the starting XI at the same time. There's little point in having two good left wingers when we don't have a right winger (with apologies to Murphy's current form).

Why not?  In fact why not have 3 players for the same position?  You are looking at this all wrong.  I know you are going to come back with the PRP carry on but we have not bought Barnes for £35m to sell him just over a year later.  It's not happening.